Lord Farquaad In The Fuhrerbunker

[Vinny]

https://youtu.be/R1JZocYN7P0

 

[Club ORD FO]

I think think posts like this are helping management/labor relations. I'd like to get a good contract.

 

[dime line]

I think think posts like this are helping management/labor relations. I'd like to get a good contract.

Guess you didn't read Ricci's letter to the union

 

[el raton]

Guess you didn't read Ricci's letter to the union

There was a letter cause I'm still hearing the crickets.

Btw, I agree with club.

 

[993_Pilot]

I think think posts like this are helping management/labor relations. I'd like to get a good contract.

We all want a good contract. It would have been fantastic if KR and our management team graciously accepted the results of the vote, turned over a new leaf and started cooperating with the union instead of always fighting us, but it is looking doubtful that will ever happen with KR calling the shots. If KR can't put his big boy pants on, get over all the posts like that video above and negotiate in good faith with the union, then he isn't CEO material, and he needs to go. His attitude towards the union and the majority of the pilots is pathetic, and that undermines his ability to be an effective leader. That's why we need KR to make good on his promise to quit if the pilots vote in a union, or alternatively for the investors to replace him.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Continuing to spew insults undermines the effort as well. Half the pilots are not on board with this union idea, and part of that is because of the scorched earth tactics and venomous remarks such as these. If you don't want to act professional for Mr Ricci's benefit, at least do so for your fellow pilots in order to help unify the group. There are some who will never support the union if these type of remarks don't stop. It's unnecessary. If you must, save the trash talk for the bar. Public forum is not the proper place.

 

[993_Pilot]

Continuing to spew insults undermines the effort as well. Half the pilots are not on board with this union idea, and part of that is because of the scorched earth tactics and venomous remarks such as these. If you don't want to act professional for Mr Ricci's benefit, at least do so for your fellow pilots in order to help unify the group. There are some who will never support the union if these type of remarks don't stop. It's unnecessary. If you must, save the trash talk for the bar. Public forum is not the proper place.

Actually, it is less than half of the pilots who didn't want a union, or we wouldn't be having this same conversation. Go back and look at my posts, I am not the one using scorched earth tactics, I have only post the truth. I have also read KR's response to the olive branch letter sent to him by the president of the union where he feigns hurt feelings ... give me a break. First of all, I seriously doubt that the union leadership condoned it, and the union leadership has no say or control over what I, or any other union supporter posts here on FI, or anywhere else. Secondly, IF he is really that sensitive, then once again, he is not CEO material. The federal mandate is for Onesky management to bargain in good faith with the IBT 1108 as the elected bargaining agent for the combined pilots of Flexjet and Flight Options. If he cant (or won't) do that, then it is time for him to step aside and make way for a real leader who can.

 

[doh]

Okay, it is funny. But at this point I think counter productive to dwell on what is essentially only one win in a long season. We need to concentrate on the next tasks: building unity, SLI, and a JCBA. Nobody had more skin in this than me; yet I agree with Club, we must move forward in a more positive fashion in order to bring as many no voters into the fold as possible.

 

[Praetorian]

Stockholm Syndrome setting in already?

 

[el raton]

Stockholm Syndrome setting in already?

?????

 

[Imissmypilot]

Oh man everyone needs to lighten up. I haven't even watched the video yet and I know that much.

Cub, el raton, doh etc... you go back and show me an actual example of scorched earth anything on the part of the pilots who were for the union.

It is not scorched earth to point out when a liar is lying, when an obfuscator is obfuscating, or use actual history and documentation to prove your point. I'm amore sick and tired of all the whiny ************************* remarks like the ones you're making. It's exactly why the vote was such a close call. It was close because we work with a bunch of pussies and for a management team of thin skinned dickheads. Not because of "scorched earth".

I went back and read some of the "evidence" of scorched earth in Rick's 20 page manifesto. It was all bull crap. When you go to the actual letters it's clear he misrepresents what was actually said but the majority of people won't ever bother.

You know what is scorched earth? To actually fire or threaten people who disagree with you and management did plenty of it. At flex alone (let's not even go to RTA) 4 people were fired for being pro union (now that management has admitted the SG incident was one too) and from my eyes Rick subtley threatened and tried to trap almost every poc yammer user and apparently did so on the road too to a number of them. There's your scorched earth.

If you think putting on a thong and heels for Ricci is going to make him a different version of himself and actually treat his unionized employees with respect, more power to you but anticipate massive failure come negotiating time. He made his position known with that letter to Efrem. I say no mercy.

 

[doh]

Dude, all I'm saying is concentrate on what comes next. This is not over until we have a JCBA. While funny, the vid does little to move us in that direction. As a POC member, I'm well aware of who is telling the truth, but let's move this thing along to JCBA as quickly as possible. Netjets plus, thank you very much indeed!

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Union or not,KR has no respect for any of us. That is the common thread we all share. If you roll over for him, you are only doing yourself a disservice. He is mad at the 330 but is laughing behind the backs of the others

 

[doh]

Cabbie, I'm not worried Ricci feels disrespected. I just think our energy is better directed at SLI and JCBA.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

SLI and the JCBA will continue to move ahead dispite the distractions. The FO pilots are tired of delays and excuses. There will always be pilots that don't agree with what we do collectively. Not every union member will behave the way the no voters want. Do the no voters get to dictate the behavior for all union members? Of coarse not and especiall the ones that have no intention of helping the whole pilot group.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Cabbie, I'm not worried Ricci feels disrespected. I just think our energy is better directed at SLI and JCBA.

Doh, I wanted to clarify the point that it is KR that doesn't respect us.

 

[doh]

SLI and the JCBA will continue to move ahead dispite the distractions. The FO pilots are tired of delays and excuses. There will always be pilots that don't agree with what we do collectively. Not every union member will behave the way the no voters want. Do the no voters get to dictate the behavior for all union members? Of coarse not and especiall the ones that have no intention of helping the whole pilot group.

This^^^^^^^^^

 

[realityman]

Oh come on! That was funny!

A member of our union did basically the same thing with JH. It's actually great for morale to be able to laugh a little at the little dictators who get frustrated they can't control our lives.

If something like this gets KR's panties in a knot then you guys have already won. It shows he isn't the cool character he'd like to think he is.

Good luck!

 

[FracMonkey]

Oh come on! That was funny!

A member of our union did basically the same thing with JH. It's actually great for morale to be able to laugh a little at the little dictators who get frustrated they can't control our lives.

If something like this gets KR's panties in a knot then you guys have already won. It shows he isn't the cool character he'd like to think he is.

Good luck!

Oh, it's much more than just having his panties in a knot. With the letter to Union leadership and the subsequent letter to the pilots he's effectively retreated to his treehouse, pulled up the ladder and has made it clear that all he plans to do is stick his tongue out at his pilots from said treehouse during negotiations.

Video or no video, the pout fest began with the disclosure of the vote results and won't end until he gets the Union decertified, which he clearly talks about in yesterday's letter. I'm less concerned about SLI or JCBA than I am about how far he'll be willing to go to win a decert campaign. We thought the campaign was dirty? We haven't seen anything yet......

 

[Praetorian]

There is no decertification under the RLA. Don't you get it? The "decert campaign" is over. It just happened and the union won the election.

That's why he's up in his treehouse, as you say. That was his last and very best shot at ridding himself of those bad old teamsters and it's over.

There is know other company out there that is big enough for him to acquire to force another representation vote. End of story.