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DUBLINFLYER

DUBLINFLYER

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How come there is no ranting/bashing/comments going on about the SWA TA?
is everyone gone to sleep or just regurgitating old posts because they're bored
 
Just another phuqued up group of pilots that are in union positions and have some ulterior motive to sell their brothers and sisters out. Former union stooges crawling out like cockroaches to tell what a great deal this TA is. Most of the BOD members have let it be known that the el presidente has gone rogue. His cowardly efforts has resulted in slanted letters that cannot defend his actions. Nobody has held him to task as the Tom and Tom Show carry his swill and spew out vomitous drivel arguing the merits. Obviously they will use this unwavering luv for the company and GK to transition into a company position. Then there is the pathetic efforts of a particular idiot from PHX who is willing to sell out hi own son who is junior on the seniority list with this POS TA
 
sickening how our so-called brother reps at ALPA airlines, reg & maj, attempt (and succeed) selling us out
 
Just thinking said:
Just another phuqued up group of pilots that are in union positions and have some ulterior motive to sell their brothers and sisters out. Former union stooges crawling out like cockroaches to tell what a great deal this TA is. Most of the BOD members have let it be known that the el presidente has gone rogue. His cowardly efforts has resulted in slanted letters that cannot defend his actions. Nobody has held him to task as the Tom and Tom Show carry his swill and spew out vomitous drivel arguing the merits. Obviously they will use this unwavering luv for the company and GK to transition into a company position. Then there is the pathetic efforts of a particular idiot from PHX who is willing to sell out hi own son who is junior on the seniority list with this POS TA
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That just about sums it up.
 
Every time I see a guy post about why they are voting "yes" I have to step away from the computer. I was hoping for a 80 plus % on the "no" side but I fear the best negotiating time in my career will not only pass us by but we are selling the Farm too. If you are 63 or less there is no reason to vote yes. If a guy is over 63 I can't blame them for trying to get their pathetic bonus.
 
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hockeypilot44 said:
Pilots are weak in general if you haven't noticed. It's not just your group.
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yep.
the worse part though is we should know how the game is played, and what the end result could/will be.

this is the first big test to this group. if it doesn't pass i think it will be by a slim margin. as a bottom feeder capt, i can't believe the junior fo's i've flown with who are voting yes.
 
Anyone who votes yes for this needs to have their head examined. Seriously though, if it passes we will have sealed our fates. We will live the out the rest of our careers saying "why did we do this to ourselves" There are so many reasons to vote no but the spin doctor, PJ got the fear campaign going so here we sit.
Vote no, have patience and demand PJ And TW resign.
To my military brothers that this is your first airline. Don't be fearful, its managements job to try to get a yes at 51%. It's your job to understand the RLA and what status quo means.
 
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This pilot group seemingly shoots themselves in the foot every chance they get. It baffles me. I hope I am wrong on the 4th or whenever the vote is tallied.
 
waverunner said:
This pilot group seemingly shoots themselves in the foot every chance they get. It baffles me. I hope I am wrong on the 4th or whenever the vote is tallied.
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Hey Wavey,

I gave up 3.5 yrs seniority to join this circus. How's about that $#!t?, brutha?

Tyrone
 
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N1atEcon said:
Vote no, have patience and demand PJ And TW resign.
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"Demand" that PJ and TW resign ? Let's put the emotion aside and look at the facts...first of all, TW's work is done pass or fail.

As for PJ, "demand" will get us nowhere. Starting the recall process will. I've said that on the other forums many times, still people want to "demand" and think that will get it done.

The recall process is there for you in the SWAPA constitution. Get the ball rolling if you're serious about it.
 
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Ty Webb said:
Hey Wavey,

I gave up 3.5 yrs seniority to join this circus. How's about that $#!t?, brutha?

Tyrone
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No, a bunch of "yesies" sold ya down the river, and they still haven't figured out where the No button is. I guess nobody knows how to vote NO anymore.
 
canyonblue said:
No, a bunch of "yesies" sold ya down the river, and they still haven't figured out where the No button is. I guess nobody knows how to vote NO anymore.
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It would be interesting to sort the votes by OSW and FAT. I'm betting the FAT "NO" votes are a much higher percentage than the OSW " NO" votes. We remember how poorly the subsets were handled on our side of the partition, when Pilots were displaced without any regard for seniority, preference or common sense.

For those who weren't aware of it, when they closed the MKE and MCO Pilot bases, those Pilots were ALL sent to SWA Tranisiton regardless of what preference they had bid.

ATL pilots, many of whom lived in SWA Pilot Bases and WANTED to go to transition were denied, while MKE/MCO pilots who WANTED to remain in ATL as long as possible were sent to FO school in Dallas. Nice.

We also know the pitfalls of redeyes without protections, and the difference between "a day off" and "a calendar day off".

If this hunk of detritus passes, at least it will be entertaining to watch all of the teeth-gnashing and internecine b!tching that will certainly result. Hope we don't have to live that one.
 
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Ty
You need to post that info on swapa web, just to remind the "in SWA WE TRUST" group.
I'm sure this isn't going to pass, and hopefully PJ will resign when he sees how out of touch he is. I think based on the folks I've flown with in the last month 70-30.
 
Ty Webb said:
It would be interesting to sort the votes by OSW and FAT. I'm betting the FAT "NO" votes are a much higher percentage than the OSW " NO" votes.
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I hope you're right. Unfortunately my interactions have been 50/50 the the FAT's I've talked to and 80/20 no with the OSW's. They are all F/O's so maybe they still have Swaholm Syndrome over their increases in pay. Money can be evil.
 
Wow.... Could you imagine if we had to rely on the Tom-Tom-MyMoron and now the Jack's of this pilot group in a job action? I could readily see them selling out this pilot group in a heart beat.
 
What happened to the mighty wind that once blew from the likes of Waveflyer and Redflyer about the intestinal fortitude of SWAPA and their pilots!?

Disunity and self-serving interests, say it ain't so! Welcome to the fray.

Wish you guys the best (sincerely), we're all counting on each other now.
 
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Waveflyer doesn't post around here anymore. And you expect anything serious from Redclown?
 
Are you SWA pilots telling the rest of the world that SWA is merely a shadow of its former self?! All those happy-go-lucky faces and grins attached to those miserable SWA employees we see on the TV commercials is only a fa?ade?! I've been told by MANY SWA employees, "NOT" to work for SWA. $10.00 per hour as a ramp agent at BWI on a phone interview by a lady from the People Dept. who sounded more like a robot than a person. After she told me the starting pay, I just couldn't contain my enthusiasm.
 
Ty Webb said:
It would be interesting to sort the votes by OSW and FAT. I'm betting the FAT "NO" votes are a much higher percentage than the OSW " NO" votes. We remember how poorly the subsets were handled on our side of the partition, when Pilots were displaced without any regard for seniority, preference or common sense.

For those who weren't aware of it, when they closed the MKE and MCO Pilot bases, those Pilots were ALL sent to SWA Tranisiton regardless of what preference they had bid.

ATL pilots, many of whom lived in SWA Pilot Bases and WANTED to go to transition were denied, while MKE/MCO pilots who WANTED to remain in ATL as long as possible were sent to FO school in Dallas. Nice.

We also know the pitfalls of redeyes without protections, and the difference between "a day off" and "a calendar day off".

If this hunk of detritus passes, at least it will be entertaining to watch all of the teeth-gnashing and internecine b!tching that will certainly result. Hope we don't have to live that one.
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Ty,
Guys crossed the fence out of seniority order because 86% of your pilot group agreed to a deal that allowed Southwest to bring guys over however they wanted. You can't point the finger at anyone but yourselves for that.
 
He's not wrong.
 
roughneck said:
Ty,
Guys crossed the fence out of seniority order because 86% of your pilot group agreed to a deal that allowed Southwest to bring guys over however they wanted. You can't point the finger at anyone but yourselves for that.
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If this turd passes, you'll be able to experience some of it yourself.

:laugh:
 
roughneck said:
Ty,
Guys crossed the fence out of seniority order because 86% of your pilot group agreed to a deal that allowed Southwest to bring guys over however they wanted. You can't point the finger at anyone but yourselves for that.
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That's completely untrue. SWA management made an agreement with AirTran ALPA that included a "transition bid," in which pilots were awarded their slot at SWA. The agreement stated that they will follow the order of the awards per the transition bid. What guys like you keep referring to is your side letter, which was an agreement between SWA and SWAPA. It was constructed by SWAPA and twisted into whatever management wanted. It set a nice precedent for things to come.
 

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