Nothing on Wheels Up??

[OHGOON]

I'm just curious how all the former CitationAir anti IBT crowd is adapting to 6on/3off for $70K vs 7on/7off at $100K+?

Anyone quietly admit to themselves yet, that had I only supported the effort of my fellow pilots a few years sooner, this whole mess might have been prevented?

Just wondering?

 

[ditchpilot]

500 k in crew saleries on a ultra makes for a bad business model

 

[Tired Soul]

Aren't they going to 9 on 6 off?

 

[gunfyter]

Aren't they going to 9 on 6 off?

That sounds like NJA new scheds

 

[el raton]

That sounds like NJA new scheds

That's a joke, right?

 

[gunfyter]

That's a joke, right?

Well we're up to 8 days as a proposed normal tour length and 19 days a month.... if you want to volunteer for that schedule

 

[wingnutt]

Must not be too bad... i parked between not one, not two, but three of them in vegas last week. Prior to that, one was taking off Long Beach when I was landing, and they have even been popping up in Seattle from time-to-time.

...not saying its GOOD, but they seem to be filling the seats?!?

 

[OHGOON]

Must not be too bad... i parked between not one, not two, but three of them in vegas last week. Prior to that, one was taking off Long Beach when I was landing, and they have even been popping up in Seattle from time-to-time.

...not saying its GOOD, but they seem to be filling the seats?!?

Well, it's easy to fill seats when you can whore out the crew at half price for twice the work. Textron destroyed a great company, f%^cked the remaining pilots by offering them an interview to work their old jobs in a new paint job for an almost 50% pay cut.

It's just amazing how far greedy management coupled with passive and rudderless pilots can lower the bar in our industry.

There are plenty of idiots here who claim they don't need a Union to negotiate for them...

Compare quality of life and pay at NetJets vs Wheels Up and then see for yourselves who is selling you/themselves a bill of goods...

Where are the WheelsUp pilots to explain to us how much better life is now that they are away from their families twice as much for half of what they used to get paid?

 

[Newkem]

I'm just curious how all the former CitationAir anti IBT crowd is adapting to 6on/3off for $70K vs 7on/7off at $100K+?

Anyone quietly admit to themselves yet, that had I only supported the effort of my fellow pilots a few years sooner, this whole mess might have been prevented?

Just wondering?

Where did you wind up Goon? B6? F9? Spirit? Went back to TWA um AA? Redwood?

Is the grass greener on your side?

Im not at Wheels UP but I hear their business is booming - like blowing the doors off the competition.

 

[NJAowner]

It is the business model of Marquis/Wheels Up. Explode out of the gate, give aways to celebrities and notables, lots of smoke and mirrors to attract those who fly privately only 25 hours per year, and then hit the financial headwinds. Check back in 5 years except they do not have a backstop this time.

I consider an all in price of over $5000 per hour for a King Air to be quite high. Make regular fractional look like a bargain. But some people like the Wheels Down perks.

 

[gunfyter]

I just wonder what's going to happen...

It is reported United hired 54 in July with 9 of the 54 NJA pilots ... by a person who claims too know.

If this turns out to be true its going to be very interesting for carriers in this business... who are trying to retain and hire new pilots....

 

[Praetorian]

I just wonder what's going to happen...

It is reported United hired 54 in July with 9 of the 54 NJA pilots ... by a person who claims too know.

If this turns out to be true its going to be very interesting for carriers in this business... who are trying to retain and hire new pilots....

It's a good question gun. At Options/Flex all the transparent whipsawing over the past year has now devolved into what looks like an all-out pissing contest. All of this uncertainty, and managements apparent blind hatred of the pilots union should ultimately (in light of how much the majours are hiring for foreseeable future) lead to a lot of pilot turnover.

Pure hubris on managements part.

 

[993_Pilot]

...All of this uncertainty, and managements apparent blind hatred of the pilots union should ultimately (in light of how much the majours are hiring for foreseeable future) lead to a lot of pilot turnover...

In my opinion, that is exactly what Ricci wants, at least in the short term. I would almost bet he is dreaming up some scheme to "help" pilots with a commercial instrument get from 250 to 1500 hours. Ricci will be completely mystified when he has so few takers, and wondering how OneSky got so far behind the hiring curve.

 

[Praetorian]

In my opinion, that is exactly what Ricci wants, at least in the short term. I would almost bet he is dreaming up some scheme to "help" pilots with a commercial instrument get from 250 to 1500 hours. Ricci will be completely mystified when he has so few takers, and wondering how OneSky got so far behind the hiring curve.

If it keeps on rainin', levee's goin' to break
When the levee breaks I'll have no place to stay

It's got what it takes to make a man leave his home
Oh, well, oh, well, oh, well

When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move!

 

[gunfyter]

If it keeps on rainin', levee's goin' to break
When the levee breaks I'll have no place to stay

It's got what it takes to make a man leave his home
Oh, well, oh, well, oh, well

When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move!

Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie When the Levee Breaks - Famous 1927 Mississippi River Flood


https://youtu.be/swhEa8vuP6U

 

[993_Pilot]

Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie When the Levee Breaks - Famous 1927 Mississippi River Flood


https://youtu.be/swhEa8vuP6U

I always thought that was a Led Zeppelin original, but I still like their cover of it better.

 

[tomgoodman]

Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie When the Levee Breaks - Famous 1927 Mississippi River Flood


https://youtu.be/swhEa8vuP6U

Marcia Ball did this one for a Hurricane Katrina benefit concert:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-hbtKpnpHig

 

[gunfyter]

I always thought that was a Led Zeppelin original, but I still like their cover of it better.

Half the classic songs out there were ripped off ....


By the way, which one's Pink?

https://youtu.be/7vdGDFHJEW0

 

[Safetycheck]

What the what? Thread needs back on topic. Now this ---->

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Citation-Lands-With-Door-Dangling-224830-1.html

 

[ghostrider64]

What day were those guys on, couldn't find the LOC freq himself? Told the world he was worried the PAX would be upset?