SWA Removes B737 Type Requirment

[4day]

ops update

No more Type Rating required!!!!

 

[General Lee]

ops update

No more Type Rating required!!!!

Are they getting desperate? Regardless, it's a good thing. Stagnation at the airline while the big 3 will retire 15,000 combined probably changed the policy. Bravo.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

I agree.

 

[humveedriver]

Are they getting desperate? Regardless, it's a good thing. Stagnation at the airline while the big 3 will retire 15,000 combined probably changed the policy. Bravo.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Long over due. The catalyst to making this happen was the training of nearly 1000 non typed pilots in house. Improvements to the training department (AQP). No real insurance benefit anymore. And yes. The competitive landscape of the industry was a major factor too in the update. It will be looked upon favorably to anyone who makes the investment.

 

[PCL_128]

Someone at Higher Power just started crying uncontrollably.

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

Someone at Higher Power just started crying uncontrollably.

Now that's funny - they'll probably go bankrupt.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Someone at Higher Power just started crying uncontrollably.

All of the sudden there was a disturbance in the force... Like millions of voices crying out all at once, and then nothing.

 

[bafanguy]

ops update

No more Type Rating required!!!!

That's quite a change. Would you happen to have a link to the official statement of the change ? Thanks.

 

[Jim]

Someone at Higher Power just started crying uncontrollably.

Actaully someone at ATP, Inc. I think they bought Higher Power not too long ago.

 

[CaptSeth]

Someone at Higher Power just started crying uncontrollably.

What's next? Are they going to get to see what a map display looks like?

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Now if they would just ban cowboy boots in the cockpit...

 

[FCPhotography]

GL, 300-400 this year, 400-600 next year. Not like the legacies but enough to change the requirement.

 

[pilotyip]

All a sign of the growing hiring boom. Competitive standards are being modified in order to ensure adequate numbers to make a quality cut. The college degree is becoming perferred at more and more airlines because they know it has nothing to do with flying an airplane

 

[DCAA320]

All a sign of the growing hiring boom. Competitive standards are being modified in order to ensure adequate numbers to make a quality cut. The college degree is becoming perferred at more and more airlines because they know it has nothing to do with flying an airplane

What is "perferred"?

Once again, guys with little or no college sometimes stand out, not all.

Every time I have asked a guy what college he went to, the answer has been I didn't go to college. I only ask when there are triggers.

Haven't had to do it in many years actually.

 

[slaquer5]

That's quite a change. Would you happen to have a link to the official statement of the change ? Thanks.

It was an email sent out to all the pilots .

 

[fletch717]

What is "perferred"?

Once again, guys with little or no college sometimes stand out, not all.

Every time I have asked a guy what college he went to, the answer has been I didn't go to college. I only ask when there are triggers.

Haven't had to do it in many years actually.

I know what you mean, i have to ask "what did you fly in the Airforce" when there are triggers too.

 

[Tripower455]

I know what you mean, i have to ask "what did you fly in the Airforce" when there are triggers too.

You can usually narrow it down even further.......

"What Eagle unit were you in?"

 

[bafanguy]

It was an email sent out to all the pilots .

Thanks.

 

[DCAA320]

You can usually narrow it down even further.......

"What Eagle unit were you in?"

Have flown with a bunch of AF Tanker guys, they are in general cool, laid back and secure. Was in the jumpseat of a former F-4 guy, let's just say my neck is still sore from his yanking and banking that A320 around Just happy for the ride.


Sorry, thread drift

 

[canyonblue]

Someone at Higher Power just started crying uncontrollably.

Maybe they can start training the boneheads at Gulfstream International Airlines, I mean, Silver Airways. :laugh:

 

[bafanguy]

It was an email sent out to all the pilots .

Did the email announcing this offer any explanation for the change in a policy dating back about 40 years ?

 

[PCL_128]

Did the email announcing this offer any explanation for the change in a policy dating back about 40 years ?

Yes, it said several things, including the current hiring environment, the changes with AQP, and other things.

 

[bafanguy]

Yes, it said several things, including the current hiring environment...and other things.

What did they say about the "current hiring environment" ?:

The number of applicants accepting interviews has dropped ?

The number of those accepting a job and showing up for class has dropped ?

People on the bottom are leaving in disturbing numbers ?

What are "other things" ?

Without seeing the email first hand, we interested observers can only ask questions.

It seems that changing a 40 year, hard-and-fast employment requirement is a significant event. There must be a story there...

Just curious. I'm not looking for a job.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm sure the company doesn't want its internal memos posted publicly, but the general idea of it was that it isn't as easy to attract the most qualified applicants in today's environment, and otherwise qualified people are being passed over because they either don't have the type or are unwilling to even apply with the knowledge that they'll have to get it before accepting a job offer. In addition to that, they mentioned the AQP program changing the training curriculum, and that the insurance company apparently wasn't providing as much benefit anymore as a result of the requirement.

 

[SWA Bubba]

What did they say about the "current hiring environment" ?:

The number of applicants accepting interviews has dropped ?

The number of those accepting a job and showing up for class has dropped ?

People on the bottom are leaving in disturbing numbers ?

What are "other things" ?

Without seeing the email first hand, we interested observers can only ask questions.

It seems that changing a 40 year, hard-and-fast employment requirement is a significant event. There must be a story there...

Just curious. I'm not looking for a job.

Hate to disappoint you, but there's really much of a story.

This has actually been coming for quite a while. The Ops email mentioned several things, such as the loss of advantages from that particular requirement. Those had been things like reduced insurance rates for a small new company, easier training syllabus, ensuring applicants really wanted to be here, etc. None of those really apply anymore. The other aspect was with current and projected hiring at all airlines coupled with a shrinking applicant pool, Southwest was concerned that we would be losing out on potential applicants who were otherwise highly qualified.

As far as your suggestions go, I don't think they really played any part. The last hiring pool still had the requirement, and we had many more applicants than slots, plus the number of people who left in the last year was minimal.

Like I said, we've all been expecting this for the last several years. In reality, we've basically been waiting for our old, intransigent VP of FltOps to leave and be replaced by a more reasonable guy, which happened fairly recently.

Bubba

 

[humveedriver]

What did they say about the "current hiring environment" ?:

The number of applicants accepting interviews has dropped ?

The number of those accepting a job and showing up for class has dropped ?

People on the bottom are leaving in disturbing numbers ?

What are "other things" ?

Without seeing the email first hand, we interested observers can only ask questions.

It seems that changing a 40 year, hard-and-fast employment requirement is a significant event. There must be a story there...

Just curious. I'm not looking for a job.

Lots of changes over last few years. More changes to come. SWA goes international now, dropped the type, is changing to dual cue flight director. And! and! We are looking at getting a new lightweight jacket! There that's damn near the whole message. Can't copy and paste. The company is strict about releasing internal memos.

 

[bafanguy]

Hate to disappoint you, but there's really much of a story.

Bubba,

Not disappointed at all. I'm just curious. I've followed the history of SWA since mid-1971...and I'm STILL following it.

Sometimes I ask questions since I no longer have contact with anyone on the inside.

The whole issue of pilot supply & demand is one of my favorite subjects. Been watching it (or trying to ) since the mid-60s.

Some people follow curling; I follow pilot stuff.

Thanks for the info. Appreciate it.

 

[outerlimits]

Lots of changes over last few years. More changes to come. SWA goes international now, dropped the type, is changing to dual cue flight director. And! and! We are looking at getting a new lightweight jacket! There that's damn near the whole message. Can't copy and paste. The company is strict about releasing internal memos.

What kind of lightweight jacket ?

It would be cool if you guys got Members Only jackets.

 

[humveedriver]

What kind of lightweight jacket ?

It would be cool if you guys got Members Only jackets.

That is the front runner. Polling indicates this will be the selected style.

http://www.membersonlyoriginal.com/...y-jackets/products/heavy-pu-motorcycle-jacket

 

[ATRCAPT]

You can usually narrow it down even further.......

"What Eagle unit were you in?"

and then, "Is the lobotomy scar visible?"