Alaska or United?

[Andy]

I heard it would be years to hold Denver at United. And commuting from Den to any other UAL base can be bad. Isn't Sfo notorious for not being commutable due to weather?

All domiciles can be fluid. When I got hired in 2000, newhires could get Den. Based on the high number of vacancies, that will probably happen again some time in the future.

Having commuted to SFO on a two hop commute, I didn't find it 'not commutable'. It simply requires advance planning.

 

[RNP.15]

Alaska dying? UAL tried to kill us in the late 90's, when they were the big international dog in SEA. How did that work out......

 

[General Lee]

Alaska dying? UAL tried to kill us in the late 90's, when they were the big international dog in SEA. How did that work out......

I don't think the UAL "investment" into SEA was even close to this one. DL is pretty much moving the Narita hub to SEA, and feeding it with a lot more flights.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Green Banana]

I don't think the UAL "investment" into SEA was even close to this one. DL is pretty much moving the Narita hub to SEA, and feeding it with a lot more flights.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Alaska is defiantly dying...

7 JD power in a row, record profits, contracts settled.... All signs of a death roll.

 

[General Lee]

Alaska is defiantly dying...

7 JD power in a row, record profits, contracts settled.... All signs of a death roll.

I never stated that, (deFIANTLY? I hope it isn't defiantly dying) I just said you or the RNP guy shouldn't compare the UAL build up in the 90s to DL's planned build up now. Big difference. Good luck sport.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Green Banana]

I never stated that, (deFIANTLY? I hope it isn't defiantly dying) I just said you or the RNP guy shouldn't compare the UAL build up in the 90s to DL's planned build up now. Big difference. Good luck sport.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Thanks, but with lower costs, better customer service, and more departures to more destinations than any other airline, Alaska is not depending on luck.

 

[dojetdriver]

I heard it would be years to hold Denver at United. And commuting from Den to any other UAL base can be bad. Isn't Sfo notorious for not being commutable due to weather?

I've done DEN-LAX, way easier than the DEN-LGA/EWR/IAD/ORD/IAH commutes I did.

 

[SIG600]

Thanks, but with lower costs, better customer service, and more departures to more destinations than any other airline, Alaska is not depending on luck.

By what metric do you come up with this stat? UAL has more 737-800's than Alaska has total airplanes. DAL has more MD/717's than Alaska has airplanes.

One day of departures/destinations from either EWR or ATL crush Alaska's total operation.

Delta could buy a controlling share of Alaska in a hostile takeover with this years profit alone.

 

[Green Banana]

By what metric do you come up with this stat? UAL has more 737-800's than Alaska has total airplanes. DAL has more MD/717's than Alaska has airplanes.

One day of departures/destinations from either EWR or ATL crush Alaska's total operation.

Delta could buy a controlling share of Alaska in a hostile takeover with this years profit alone.

The discussion point was concerning SEA.

 

[gobyebye]

......and SWA, WTF? 20 years to upgrade in a 737.


Typhoonpilot[/QUOTE]

You guys kill me with this 20 years to upgrade thing at southwest. You are basing your rough numbers on a point in time when the airline is/was stagnate and going through an aquisition. It won't be that way for ever and in fact will start decreasing by the end of next year.

 

[igneousy2]

Alaska upgrade is 9.5 years right now because we happen to be in a thin part of the seniority list. That number will start to go up again once we get into the 2006-2007 hires then there will be a large gap down when we get to the post-furlough hires.

It's 9.5 years to be an ANC Captain...it's another 200ish numbers to be a Captain in the lower 48 with only 50 ish retirements a year.

If you can overlook the pilot groups overall spinelessness, there are a good bunch of pilots flying for Alaska.

You will have the option of having a better quality of life-sooner at United. Friend at United has the same system seniority at United as I do but has been able to hold better schedules because he has taken the option of staying on the junior equipment. At Alaska, you are always in the senior equipment.

Delta has actually helped the pilots at Alaska...hiring/growth would have been nowhere near what it has been without them. Now that we got the 170's coming (flown by Skywest) I think you will see a slow down of mainline growth with most of the new route announcements going to Skywest.

Goodluck either way you choose

 

[sniper]

Offers from both, but really want to go to SWA?

Ready..... go!

Delta hands down .... Give it a try

 

[RNP.15]

Yea, go anywhere but Alaska or Southwest there redheaded step children. Give me a break how quick they forget.

 

[General Lee]

Yea, go anywhere but Alaska or Southwest there redheaded step children. Give me a break how quick they forget.

Times have changed. Consolidation, bag fees and change fees, and now lower gas to add to the mega profits. That's probably something you won't forget now.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Old School 737]

Times have changed. Consolidation, bag fees and change fees, and now lower gas to add to the mega profits. That's probably something you won't forget now.


Bye Bye---General Lee

How's that refinery gonna do with all this lower gas ?

 

[General Lee]

How's that refinery gonna do with all this lower gas ?

In the last conference call (Q3) the CFO stated about a $20 million profit, even with lower oil. It just turns the oil into gas (and other products like hearing oil, etc). You know that, right? The overall cost of the refinery was about what one new 777 costs. DL is slated to make $4.5 billion this year.


From the Seeking Alpha summary of the DL Q3 conference call: quoting the CFO:

"The refinery made a $19 million profit for the quarter which lowered our fuel price by $0.02 per gallon. The refinery?s profit represents a $16 million improvement over the same period last year. A key driver of the profitability was our domestic crude initiative as we processed 100,000 barrels per day of domestic crude during the quarter. We are on-pace to achieve our goal of averaging 70,000 barrels per day for the full year, which should increase to 100,000 barrels per day in 2015. For the December quarter, we?re expecting to pay $2.69 to $2.74 per gallon for fuel including the refinery and hedge impacts. This includes the projected profit of the refinery of $20 million driven by widening crack spreads. The refinery team is running a great operation and continuous to generate meaningful year-over-year improvements there."




Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Ex737Driver]

In the last conference call (Q3) the CFO stated about a $20 million profit for the year, even with lower oil. It just turns the oil into gas (and other products like hearing oil, etc). You know that, right? The overall cost of the refinery was about what one new 777 costs. DL is slated to make $4.5 billion this year.


From the Seeking Alpha summary of the DL Q3 conference call: quoting the CFO:

"The refinery made a $19 million profit for the quarter which lowered our fuel price by $0.02 per gallon. The refinery?s profit represents a $16 million improvement over the same period last year. A key driver of the profitability was our domestic crude initiative as we processed 100,000 barrels per day of domestic crude during the quarter. We are on-pace to achieve our goal of averaging 70,000 barrels per day for the full year, which should increase to 100,000 barrels per day in 2015. For the December quarter, we?re expecting to pay $2.69 to $2.74 per gallon for fuel including the refinery and hedge impacts. This includes the projected profit of the refinery of $20 million driven by widening crack spreads. The refinery team is running a great operation and continuous to generate meaningful year-over-year improvements there."




Bye Bye---General Lee

Still believe that the refinery purchase was a stellar idea. Fossil fuels, no matter what the reserves are in the world, still have a limit. With low oil costs, all this does is allow DAL to further hone the refining and distribution process to THEMSELVES while the rest of us are dependent upon others which don't necessarily have our best interests at heart.

 

[General Lee]

Still believe that the refinery purchase was a stellar idea. Fossil fuels, no matter what the reserves are in the world, still have a limit. With low oil costs, all this does is allow DAL to further hone the refining and distribution process to THEMSELVES while the rest of us are dependent upon others which don't necessarily have our best interests at heart.

Well I think DL buying the refinery has helped ALL airlines on the East Coast, not just DL.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Ex737Driver]

Well I think DL buying the refinery has helped ALL airlines on the East Coast, not just DL.


Bye Bye---General Lee

So are you saying DAL has UAL's best interests at heart?

 

[slaquer5]

Yea, go anywhere but Alaska or Southwest there redheaded step children. Give me a break how quick they forget.

You sound like you have lots of love


Your kids are lucky to have you as a parent .


I bet you could write a great children's book.