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NachoMamma said:
Unless of course you flew a King Air C90 for a little while and knew the right people...then the "rules" were somehow different. Yep, pretty prestigious outfit alright. What a pathetic joke.
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Wasn't that C-90 some kind of quasi flow through NJI had going? Got hired into the K-Air then if they "liked" you, you put the big boy pants on? It's been so long ago...

Gonna need a ruling on this...Gutshot?
 
squonk said:
Wasn't that C-90 some kind of quasi flow through NJI had going? Got hired into the K-Air then if they "liked" you, you put the big boy pants on? It's been so long ago...

Gonna need a ruling on this...Gutshot?
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That's how four or five pilots ended up in the Gulfstream back in the day. They all had ATP and higher than average total time, just no type ratings. We did have another two or three, quite frankly, unqualified pilots slip in through the employee entrance. Not gonna lie. But none of them lasted very long and the average experience level once upon a time was around 9-10,000 hours and three turbojet type ratings. In the early days you HAD to have a G-IV rating or you didn't get the gig. Period.
 
Does NJ hire directly into the G550 from off the street? 10000 total, GV/550 type, over a 1000 in type?

Not seriously looking but who knows in this economy at the moment.
 
Jetdriver69 said:
Does NJ hire directly into the G550 from off the street? 10000 total, GV/550 type, over a 1000 in type?

Not seriously looking but who knows in this economy at the moment.
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No, sir. They have a union and a seniority list. You get it when you can hold it.... Which, in the case of the G550, would be decades from now... They've got a shiney new phenom with your name on it. Well, ateast the right seat of it anyway.

I forgot to mention that none of the above applies if you choose to become management.
 
I didn't think so. I have zero interest in management, even though I do have a MBA. I would rather fly in China or the sandbox before I would do that crap.

If I can just point an airplane for another 14 years until I retire for the last time, I will be good.
 
Jetdriver69 said:
I didn't think so. I have zero interest in management, even though I do have a MBA. I would rather fly in China or the sandbox before I would do that crap.

If I can just point an airplane for another 14 years until I retire for the last time, I will be good.
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You went through the trouble and expense of obtaining an MBA but you'd rather not do that "crap?"

Might make some sense. I knew a few Alpha model 58 guys back in the day and a lot of them seemed willing to do just about anything to get out of that pig :)

Scout's out and if you ain't Cav - well, you know the rest.
 
If you want to get promoted in the USAF you got to have a Master's, it is as simple as that. My MBA did allow me to teach for ERAU and probably was partially responsible for getting me my current job, but unless a meteorite hits our hangar I will be doing my current job until I'm downsized or retired.

BTW, I flew with 11th ACR Black Horse Cav while stationed with the 3rd ID in Germany 83-87. Good times and crazy pilots....
 
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Jetdriver69 said:
If you want to get promoted in the USAF you got to have a Master's, it is as simple as that. My MBA did allow me to teach for ERAU and probably was partially responsible for getting me my current job, but unless a meteorite hits our hangar I will be doing my current job until I'm downsized or retired.

BTW, I flew with 11th ACR Black Horse Cav while stationed with the 3rd ID in Germany 83-87. Good times and crazy pilots....
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Congrats on the AF gig. I was Attack so I wasn't, well you know the rest.
 
Traderd said:
You went through the trouble and expense of obtaining an MBA but you'd rather not do that "crap?"

Might make some sense. I knew a few Alpha model 58 guys back in the day and a lot of them seemed willing to do just about anything to get out of that pig :)

Scout's out and if you ain't Cav - well, you know the rest.
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Yes, I know the rest! Air Cav, Air mobile young Captain!
 
I left the Army for the sole reason of flying heavies in the USAF so I could get an airline gig. Corporate never entered my mind.

Unfortunately, an interview with AA scheduled for late Sept 2001 didn't happen for obvious reasons. Stop loss followed and I ended up doing a bit over 21 years.

That being said and G550 $ is great but I do miss flying helicopters. My youngest son is going to try the warrant track after doing a couple of years as a Blackhawks or Chinook wrench turner. He is 17 now, so plenty of time for flight school.
 
My guess is at least 10 years.

Seniority number of the first new hire will be about 2600. Upgrade line will be about 1600 ie 60/40 split of pic/sic with some credit given for SICs that don't want to upgrade. Then a generous 100 new pic upgrades per year.

I think this is optimistic and subject to change for the better or worse.
 
Large population of forty something's are Captains. (It's the largest demographic). No mandatory retirement age. Shrinking number of airframes. When times were good about a 1.5 percent per year of pilot turn over. I don't know what it is now, but it has increased. (Mostly FO's bailing for better opportunities). Captains currently overstaffed by approximately 400ish based on a sixty/forty percentage split. Please feel free to update my information. I'm not as current as I used to be.
 
G4dude said:
What is the prevailing opinion about how long a NJA hiree would have to wait to upgrade to captain?
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Mathematically speaking...never. The biggest culprit, no mandatory retirement age. No self respecting pilot will accept this job with the intention of making it a career knowing that. This place will become the "free type rating" revolving door it deserves to be as turnover within the first 2 years for future employees will be near 100%.
 
If you have the qualifications, you would be much better off going to one of the majors. You will upgrade quickly. Lots of mandatory retirements. Crazy movement. Better retirement and salary. Better schedule. Netjets does buy your food for you while working 12-14 hour days. You do the math.
 
T-1GUY said:
If you have the qualifications, you would be much better off going to one of the majors. You will upgrade quickly. Lots of mandatory retirements. Crazy movement. Better retirement and salary. Better schedule. Netjets does buy your food for you while working 12-14 hour days. You do the math.
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Very true....

I make more as a 3rd year FO, bidding reserve, than a top of the scale
"large a/c" 18 day schedule SIC.

And according to the numbers by default we are near the bottom of the pay scale. ( other contracts have surpassed ours luckily)

Get the free type and work on moving up.... Unless of course you live in a really remote area and refuse to commute
 
A senior G PIC in his late 40's resigned this week. So that's one closer anyway....
 
Willy21 said:
My guess is at least 10 years.

Seniority number of the first new hire will be about 2600. Upgrade line will be about 1600 ie 60/40 split of pic/sic with some credit given for SICs that don't want to upgrade. Then a generous 100 new pic upgrades per year.

I think this is optimistic and subject to change for the better or worse.
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I disagree. We're no long a career destination and I expect to see a mass exodus over the next five years to DAL, UAL, or AA. My plan is to put JH and Co. in the rear view mirror.
 
acaTerry said:
This wouldn't be one who moved from OK to TX would it? I'd hate to see him go but he's thinking about it.
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Not yet. I'm flying with him this week.

The pilot in question married one of our former CMH screen readers. He's heading for a "drier" climate.
 
Willy21 said:
My guess is at least 10 years.

Seniority number of the first new hire will be about 2600. Upgrade line will be about 1600 ie 60/40 split of pic/sic with some credit given for SICs that don't want to upgrade. Then a generous 100 new pic upgrades per year.

I think this is optimistic and subject to change for the better or worse.
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Wow. Maybe we will lose a lot of captains to the majors. That would help.
 
I don't see many PICs leaving for the airlines. If there is an exodus it will be from the SICs. Most of which will be topped out on pay without COLA in 2015.
 

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