Fabulous FJ uniforms...

[el raton]

If the rumors are true, UPS guys will have us to thank for not having the ugliest uniforms.

We're gonna look like a bunch of clowns.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

It's not what it's come to, it's what it's been & you've refused to admit. Everything you do on the job is submit to change at uncle's whim. The uniform committee was effectively discarded, meaning any input you may have had became irrelevant.

btw, UPS pilots are unionized.

So you are saying that at FO KR couldn't change your uniform. I am sure you have a committee, but does it say you can stop him from doing that without your appoval?

We understand things can change. I think you guys live under the illusion that you have control. KR can change your uniform tomorrow also.

Does it say anywhere in your contract that KR can allow your pilots to request to transfer to another company while being allowed to go on LOA? Is that in your contract or something that KR came up with to get what he wants?

Maybe your union was given the up illusion of control by being allowed to give input, however before they were asked I am sure the plan was already finalized.

I think you need to wake up and realize you are equally as vulnerable.

Back when we were owned by Bomabrdier they could have changed our uniform without our consent, so how is this different?

Once again, if you are wanting to scare our pilots please pick an item that means something, not "your uniforms are going to be silver."

 

[el raton]

So you are saying that at FO KR couldn't change your uniform. I am sure you have a committee, but does it say you can stop him from doing that without your appoval?

We understand things can change. I think you guys live under the illusion that you have control. KR can change your uniform tomorrow also.

Does it say anywhere in your contract that KR can allow your pilots to request to transfer to another company while being allowed to go on LOA? Is that in your contract or something that KR came up with to get what he wants?

Maybe your union was given the up illusion of control by being allowed to give input, however before they were asked I am sure the plan was already finalized.

I think you need to wake up and realize you are equally as vulnerable.

Back when we were owned by Bomabrdier they could have changed our uniform without our consent, so how is this different?

Once again, if you are wanting to scare our pilots please pick an item that means something, not "your uniforms are going to be silver."

Remember, they did change our uniforms without our consent when Tom became the cp. Nothing new here except we will win the butt ugly uniform contest!! So will our airplanes with that awful paint scheme.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Remember, they did change our uniforms without our consent when Tom became the cp. Nothing new here except we will win the butt ugly uniform contest!! So will our airplanes with that awful paint scheme.

I would say we wait to see what the uniform is before we start saying how ugly it is.

I personally like the new paint job. I thought our old paint was becoming dated.

 

[BlueNose]

If the rumors are true, UPS guys will have us to thank for not having the ugliest uniforms.

Don't worry, you get used to it. At FO for years we lived with wearing gold and teal striped clown ties and off-colored shoulder board stripes. KR said he wanted a distinctive look so the owners could always find their crew when they walked into the FBO. That was never a problem. We still managed to hold our heads up and come to work. Thankfully, we could airline in our polos. Before FO the CW guys had to wear red ties and red shoulder boards, looked like bus drivers. Don't know what's in store for you, but there's a quick history of your new owner's taste in uniforms.

- Oh, and jackets with cuff stripes at a 45 deg bias for the large cabin guys. Almost forgot about those. According to KR, the stripes were slanted so it looked like you were going fast. I $h!t you not.


Now let's see if you'll start turning the beacon on 10 mins before departure. Another KR-ism, so the plane always looks ready to go when the owners show. Line guys'll love you for that. And don't forget to roll on ready!

 

[rajflyboy]

Airline uniforms when flying corporate aircraft are dumb looking

 

[EngineThunder]

Airline uniforms when flying corporate aircraft are dumb looking

Comes in handy when flying international, though.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Don't worry, you get used to it. At FO for years we lived with wearing gold and teal striped clown ties and off-colored shoulder board stripes. KR said he wanted a distinctive look so the owners could always find their crew when they walked into the FBO. That was never a problem. We still managed to hold our heads up and come to work. Thankfully, we could airline in our polos. Before FO the CW guys had to wear red ties and red shoulder boards, looked like bus drivers. Don't know what's in store for you, but there's a quick history of your new owner's taste in uniforms.

- Oh, and jackets with cuff stripes at a 45 deg bias for the large cabin guys. Almost forgot about those. According to KR, the stripes were slanted so it looked like you were going fast. I $h!t you not.


Now let's see if you'll start turning the beacon on 10 mins before departure. Another KR-ism, so the plane always looks ready to go when the owners show. Line guys'll love you for that. And don't forget to roll on ready!

Do you guys actually do this?

This was brought up to us and it was determined it would decrease safety. A beacon on means an engine is either running or about to be running. It says nothing about the readiness of the crew or aircraft.

A crew being at the aircraft and not watching TV in the crew lounge at departure time shows a readiness to depart.

An owner who is familiar with aviation should be wary of approaching an aircraft with a beacon on.

 

[BlueNose]

Do you guys actually do this?

This was brought up to us and it was determined it would decrease safety. A beacon on means an engine is either running or about to be running. It says nothing about the readiness of the crew or aircraft.

A crew being at the aircraft and not watching TV in the crew lounge at departure time shows a readiness to depart.

An owner who is familiar with aviation should be wary of approaching an aircraft with a beacon on.

That was an SOP and management expectation back in the old KR, gold-tie days. Only true believers actually did it, most ignored it. Played hell getting a line guy for start & gpu disconnect with the beacon running all the time. The original requirement was beacon on 30 min prior to departure, believe it or not. Didn't see anyone who actually did that, even at CGF. You could write quite a book on the stupid crap we were asked to do back then. Might make good reading for the FJ guys, just to see what gets resurrected. Of course every company has a list of those, but ours was longer than most. Maybe somebody should start a thread, take a walk down memory lane.

 

[DirtyBeech]

I would just like the new owner to ask the actual owners what they want instead of designing paint, interior and uniforms to fit his tastes.

Btw. The new paint looks good. But it in no way separates us on the ramp from other planes. If anything we're more disguised now.

 

[shanes123]

Do you guys actually do this?

This was brought up to us and it was determined it would decrease safety. A beacon on means an engine is either running or about to be running. It says nothing about the readiness of the crew or aircraft.

A crew being at the aircraft and not watching TV in the crew lounge at departure time shows a readiness to depart.

An owner who is familiar with aviation should be wary of approaching an aircraft with a beacon on.

Don't tell KR that or you will be omitted from the Golden Boy club...

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Don't tell KR that or you will be omitted from the Golden Boy club...

Safety is the first priority, even over customer service.

 

[shanes123]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! you really do not have a clue how KR operates Thats the funniest thing I have heard on this board EVER!!!! Thanks TWA I might actually like you after all

 

[BlueNose]

Don't tell KR that or you will be omitted from the Golden Boy club...

Do you guys actually do this?

This was brought up to us and it was determined it would decrease safety. A beacon on means an engine is either running or about to be running. It says nothing about the readiness of the crew or aircraft.

A crew being at the aircraft and not watching TV in the crew lounge at departure time shows a readiness to depart.

An owner who is familiar with aviation should be wary of approaching an aircraft with a beacon on.

Shanes is right, you might want to come up with a different answer for your SFO board of review. Just because the whole rest of the industry does it one way, that way makes perfect sense and has clear safety implications, doesn't mean it's the right answer at FO/FJ/Onesky. That's a quick way to be labeled as a subversive, non-team player - a sure killer in your quest for the fifth stripe.

Teasing aside, I'm sure you're sincere in your belief about the importance of safety. Most of us who remember the old FO would tell you that belief will be tested. It can be a lonely feeling when the time comes to take that stand. Good luck to you.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! you really do not have a clue how KR operates Thats the funniest thing I have heard on this board EVER!!!! Thanks TWA I might actually like you after all

Believe me, you liking me is the last thing that crosses my mind. It is actually kind of an insult based on your previous posts.

Hold on, you have always claimed you know me, not you say you might actually like me. Which one is it? You really are a genius.

Seriously.........