Travel Management, a danger to us all....

[*#$% Headwinds]

When will this industry get some self worth? 200 pilots over there willing to work for peanuts. 15 days on? Perhaps your of some third world descent, willing to enslave yourselves. These guys are flying EJM and Netjets trips, are they flying FLOPs and FLEX trips too? Accident waiting to happen and the NBAA agrees with me.

Openly carrying maint envy discrepancies, because if you don't fly you don't get paid? FWIWI you don't get paid if your dead either.

http://www.nbaa.org/ops/safety/human-factors/fatigue/


Tell me where a 15 day schedule fits into the above.

One deadly accident is all it takes to destroy years of our industry building a reputation for safety above all else.

If ever there was a need for a union, Travel Management blazes the trail.

An 8/6 schedule also doesn?t meet those guidelines. I worked that one and I hated it more than the 15/13. I was a lot more ready to work after day 13 than after day 6. All of this assumes you are working 14 on 10 off every day. That didn't usually happen when I was there. You might do that for 6 to 8 days in a row, and there are many examples of guys and girls working every one of their 15 days, but if you cried uncle you usually got a break. The best thing that could happen for the entire industry would be if the FAA got off their @ss and finally instituted 36 hours of rest after 7 days.

I left a few years ago, but at the time, the fatigue policy was that if you called fatigued, dispatch would put you in rest immediately. Then you would have to fill out an ASAP report and answer to the mis-Director of Safety, Chief Pilot, D.O. or all 3 at once depending on how badly the schedule got f*cked up. So there is an intimidation factor to minimize fatigue calls. You did still get paid. One crew was sent home more recently without pay for not answering the phone while in rest, but when a lawyer got involved, they got paid.

TMC is a sh!t place to work by design. They feel that keeping wages low with heavy turnover is preferable to having experienced crews that cost more. Apparently the training contract with FSI is cheaper than the difference between year 1 and year 5 pay? I don?t know. Also, heavy turnover means no union which is the big goal. Personally, I would love to see the TMC peeps organize and now is the best time for ?Pete to shut the whole thing down? because the job market has not been this good since TMC started. I have no idea how they keep filling new hire classes, but I do know the fabled ?stack of resumes? is no more. I can also say that there are many worse places to work. TMC just happens to be the biggest and maybe the least bad, of the bottom feeders.

 

[Woodstockpal]

union cards went out today the pilots have taken about all the shtt from the ekm idiots they are willing to take. the pilot group as a whole are an excellent group while ironically the management group wouldn't qualify for much more than a subway or ice cream store manager per their resume

 

[jonjuan]

union cards went out today the pilots have taken about all the shtt from the ekm idiots they are willing to take. the pilot group as a whole are an excellent group while ironically the management group wouldn't qualify for much more than a subway or ice cream store manager per their resume

Yep-pilots are "excellent"while management are a bunch of idiot Spicoli's. Lolololol......

 

[Woodstockpal]

well well aint we a smart ass

 

[rajflyboy]

So........

Will TMC pilots unionize?

What's the word? I'm assuming that "Yes they will Unionize"

 

[brokeflyer]

So........

Will TMC pilots unionize?

What's the word? I'm assuming that "Yes they will Unionize"

we hope so.....organized management has done enough damage to this country already.. we let it go any longer and we wont have a country

 

[rajflyboy]

amen brother

 

[AeroBoy]

Is there an organizing information webpage for the TMC union drive?

 

[993_Pilot]

Is there an organizing information webpage for the TMC union drive?

So you want details about an organizing webpage for TMC? Aren't you the same guy that started the thread "Hold on Tight" and said:

Oh, I don't just have a rumor, outerfix. I have facts and details, but I'm under a gag order until tomorrow after 9 am or so. But there's more beyond tomorrow's announcement, too. This is just the first act of three. Like I said: big changes.

You seem like a DAC management shill with insider information to me, but I am sure somebody will eventually give you the info you seek anyways. So, Flexjet was act One, and XO Jet is rumored to be act Two ... Is TMC part of the Three-Act circus too? Screw the gag order, give us some "Facts and Details".

 

[993_Pilot]

What happened AeroBoy?


What happened AeroBoy? You have logged on at least twice since I made my last post, and apparently you don't want to answer. Explain how you had "facts and details" without being a DAC Shill. Come on, give us your best lie.

 

[AeroBoy]

What happened AeroBoy? You have logged on at least twice since I made my last post, and apparently you don't want to answer. Explain how you had "facts and details" without being a DAC Shill. Come on, give us your best lie.

993, I personally don't owe you anything. And I'm certainly not a shill for ANY company. I merely am a messenger. If you can't deal with the fact that I can't go into great details or reveal my sources, then that's just too bad. Suck it up, little camper.

Act II is coming and very soon, too, I've been told. From a pilot perspective, there will be winners and losers here, and it depends solely on which company you're with...one will lose and the other will gain, but the loss is expected to exceed the gain, unfortunately. There is a silver lining in general, since fractional and charter prices could firm up as a result, making these operators more profitable and thus able to afford higher wages or hire more employees (I personally hope that both are the end result).

Separately, there will be some good news coming from one of the fractionals before the NBAA convention. Can't say anything more than that, and for multiple reasons.

 

[Praetorian]

993, I personally don't owe you anything. And I'm certainly not a shill for ANY company. I merely am a messenger. If you can't deal with the fact that I can't go into great details or reveal my sources, then that's just too bad. Suck it up, little camper.

Act II is coming and very soon, too, I've been told. From a pilot perspective, there will be winners and losers here, and it depends solely on which company you're with...one will lose and the other will gain, but the loss is expected to exceed the gain, unfortunately. There is a silver lining in general, since fractional and charter prices could firm up as a result, making these operators more profitable and thus able to afford higher wages or hire more employees (I personally hope that both are the end result).

Separately, there will be some good news coming from one of the fractionals before the NBAA convention. Can't say anything more than that, and for multiple reasons.

I think you guys have beat this XO Jet rumor to death. Know-one is buying it anymore.

 

[rajflyboy]

The dangers are the same for us all

Midairs, gliders, aspen,telluride.,lake tahoe, bermuda dunes,cfit, east hampton, sun valley, belmar

 

[AftCG182]

The dangers are the same for us all

Midairs, gliders, aspen,telluride.,lake tahoe, bermuda dunes,cfit, east hampton, sun valley, belmar

Ocean Reef!

 

[rajflyboy]

Ocean Reef!

yes.. oh yes