Southwest new hire pay

[JetFumes]

What's it really........ for a second and third year guy if you live in base, as in 50 mins from Oakland.

 

[Whodat]

Flying the minimum...

1st-58K
2nd-91K
3rd-102K

These numbers aren't counting perdiem which is a minimum of 6K yearly....

If you live in base you can add a lot to the numbers above...

 

[waveflyer]

Been here 7&1/2 years- rates have gone up, i lived in OAK as a new hire, made $72k picking up an extra fly turn or two day a month in addition to my line- ie: would equal the same amount under the current contract x bigger pay rate

That was the only time I made less than 6 figures. I just fly my line now but I'd guess $100-$110k 2nd year

And $120-$130k 3rd year.

Our contract is more than just rates and a line- if you live in base and make yourself available to that contract, you'll live well. But you wouldn't get more than a guess about the actual amount bc it's so dependent on what you do with that living 50 min drive from domicile.

 

[King Air Evac]

What is the process for picking up an extra day or two? Do you have to trade a whole trip for a longer (or more productive) one? Can you pick up individual days (or legs)? I have been looking around but haven't seen anything in any of the recent threads.

Thanx

 

[redflyer65]

You basically pick up anything that legally fits on your schedule.

 

[T-1GUY]

What other benefits do you have as a Southwest pilot?

 

[SWA Bubba]

What other benefits do you have as a Southwest pilot?

Why, the respect and admiration of everyone else on this board.

Bubba

 

[JetFumes]

How long are new hires on reserve in Oakland ?

 

[General Lee]

What other benefits do you have as a Southwest pilot?

"Fonzi" jacket, multiple leg days, one plane type, quick turns on the ground..

But also great pay, disgruntled 1/3 of the group, and a management that WAS pro-pilot a few years ago. Oh yeah, and some stagnation.

Your peers at the big 3 legacies will be climbing the ladder a lot faster towards better quality of life thanks to huge retirements, plus a choice of different types of flying, like domestic vs INTL long haul.

Good luck with your own choice.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Daddy]

http://nypost.com/2014/04/25/pilot-arrested-in-kiddie-porn-probe/

 

[General Lee]

http://nypost.com/2014/04/25/pilot-arrested-in-kiddie-porn-probe/

Could that be about a Delta "Connection" pilot? Good try loser! Read it again, the part about being an employee of Republic...



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Herkdrv]

6 years here and about 175 a year. Live in domicile and average about 13-14 days off. I say if living out west is not an issue and long upgrade doesn't bother you come on over. :beer:

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

(Your peers at the big 3 legacies will be climbing the ladder a lot faster towards better quality of life thanks to huge retirements, plus a choice of different types of flying, like domestic vs INTL long haul.)
GL,
the way things are going there is only going to 2 big legacies, the only ladder UAL is climbing is to bankruptcy, maybe SWA will take over that coveted third spot - NA not a chance.

 

[FOAgain]

How long are new hires on reserve in Oakland ?

I'm a new hire and didn't even get OAK. I would think you could get off RSV there fairly quickly.

There are still hundreds of AT pilots to transition, so that will slow movement for a year or so.

What people fail to comprehend about SWA is the potential for international growth. Once the integration is complete, you're going to see a big push to add several near international cities. They're already shopping for -700s that they can put to work quickly.

Will you fly a 777 to Hong Kong? Not for a long time, if ever. You can count on anything within the range of the -700/800.

Personally, flying around the globe, waking up in weird time zones and getting stomach bugs doesn't appeal to me. Some of us are perfectly happy bouncing around the good ol' US, enjoying great benefits and having a blast at work.

Unfortunately, some cannot understand why we don't think like they do, and don't want to fly what they fly. That's why there are so many haters out there.

I respect everyone else's career decisions, their choice of employer, and hope they are proud of what they do, just as I am.

 

[King Air Evac]

I'm a new hire and didn't even get OAK. I would think you could get off RSV there fairly quickly.

Where did you end up? I hear they have been splitting classes between OAK, PHX and LAS. I think one guy was able to get to DAL in a month or two. I understand DAL will probably be growing a bit with the end of the Wright Amendment.

 

[FOAgain]

My class was split between PHX, OAK and LAS. Some have already gotten MDW. DAL has had some vacancies and Jan hires have already gotten it. The schedule changes in Oct/Nov will likely bring a lot more openings for both seats.

 

[Nindiri]

I recommend PHX. Great CRM culture there. Lots of friendly "mentor" captains.

 

[FOAgain]

Yes, the "Squadron."

 

[skywiz]

"Fonzi" jacket, multiple leg days, one plane type, quick turns on the ground..

But also great pay, disgruntled 1/3 of the group, and a management that WAS pro-pilot a few years ago. Oh yeah, and some stagnation.

Your peers at the big 3 legacies will be climbing the ladder a lot faster towards better quality of life thanks to huge retirements, plus a choice of different types of flying, like domestic vs INTL long haul.

Good luck with your own choice.



Bye Bye---General Lee

General Lee,

You forgot to mention the 88 B717s! You can't fly those at Southwest!

 

[redflyer65]

I'm a new hire and didn't even get OAK. I would think you could get off RSV there fairly quickly.

There are still hundreds of AT pilots to transition, so that will slow movement for a year or so.

What people fail to comprehend about SWA is the potential for international growth. Once the integration is complete, you're going to see a big push to add several near international cities. They're already shopping for -700s that they can put to work quickly.

Will you fly a 777 to Hong Kong? Not for a long time, if ever. You can count on anything within the range of the -700/800.

Personally, flying around the globe, waking up in weird time zones and getting stomach bugs doesn't appeal to me. Some of us are perfectly happy bouncing around the good ol' US, enjoying great benefits and having a blast at work.

Unfortunately, some cannot understand why we don't think like they do, and don't want to fly what they fly. That's why there are so many haters out there.

I respect everyone else's career decisions, their choice of employer, and hope they are proud of what they do, just as I am.

Excellent post FO. International growth is going to be fun to watch. The new terminal in HOU will be coming out of the ground soon. Three cranes up already. FLL to follow..

Some of the recent new hires are all the way east already. Most junior in MDW was hired Jan 2014.

 

[Tripower455]

Just be sure to vote yes, or Gary will "shelve" any growth plans!

 

[redflyer65]

Agreed Tri.

I need full retro and RRC. Otherwise, I'm a solid NO.

To turn it around, I'll 'shelve' my yes vote.

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

Excellent post FO. International growth is going to be fun to watch. The new terminal in HOU will be coming out of the ground soon. Three cranes up already. FLL to follow.

Red.
Take it easy on the blue koolaide. What will be fun about it? Zero growth, moving jets from current domestic markets to international markets, 15 year upgrades? I agree with you on the full retro, no PBS, no sick bank reduction, no code share a 737 can do, and RRC.
Organic growth will bring me back to the koolaide dispenser for a sip every now and then.

 

[Crash Pad]

No code share on anything a 737 can do? The only hope we have is growth. The only growth to be had is international. I'm not willing to outsource our only hope hope for growth. Sure Mexico is nice but why give up on Europe, Asia, etc.?

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

No code share on anything a 737 can do? The only hope we have is growth. The only growth to be had is international. I'm not willing to outsource our only hope hope for growth. Sure Mexico is nice but why give up on Europe, Asia, etc.?

Hi Crash.

I am not giving up on far international. Not for one second. We are not in a position to begin Europe, Asia, etc. I would be willing to look at a far international code share with hard numbers for obtaining proper equipment. There would have to be a drop dead date and a 4-1 ratio of our equipment to a code share partners lifts. I would look at allowing SWA to obtain these revenue streams. Emphasize look.
I know we just subleased our rjs to Delta, but if the company wants more efficient rjs flying our passengers, bring them on property! As long as they are flown by SWA pilots on our seniority list.

BO4

 

[IAHERJ]

I'm a new hire and didn't even get OAK. I would think you could get off RSV there fairly quickly.

There are still hundreds of AT pilots to transition, so that will slow movement for a year or so.

What people fail to comprehend about SWA is the potential for international growth. Once the integration is complete, you're going to see a big push to add several near international cities. They're already shopping for -700s that they can put to work quickly.

Will you fly a 777 to Hong Kong? Not for a long time, if ever. You can count on anything within the range of the -700/800.

Personally, flying around the globe, waking up in weird time zones and getting stomach bugs doesn't appeal to me. Some of us are perfectly happy bouncing around the good ol' US, enjoying great benefits and having a blast at work.

Unfortunately, some cannot understand why we don't think like they do, and don't want to fly what they fly. That's why there are so many haters out there.

I respect everyone else's career decisions, their choice of employer, and hope they are proud of what they do, just as I am.

Let me guess, American flag tie?? Kidding. Good post

 

[JetFumes]

Even with some growth, are you still looking at a 15 to 20 year upgrade?

 

[FurloughedAgain]

What was the industry like fifteen years ago JetFumes? That was 1999. TWA was still a global carrier. US Airways hired 1149 pilots, had never been bankrupt, and had yet to try a merger with United. RJs were strictly limited by scope. Turboprop feed still existed. Bunches of majors existed that are gone today. NW, CAL, ATA, America West. Even more small airlines fought for low fare supremacy... We had yet to see Metrojet, Song or Ted... JetBlue still sounded like a dishwasher detergent and hadn't flown a single hour. But Vanguard, Eastwind, ProAir, National, Southeast all flew...

Who is to say what the industry will look like in another 15 years? We can't predict what will happen in 5. Play the hand you're dealt and hope for the best.

 

[FOAgain]

Let me guess, American flag tie?? Kidding. Good post

Actually I'm a special livery kind of dude.

 

[JetFumes]

What was the industry like fifteen years ago JetFumes? That was 1999. TWA was still a global carrier. US Airways hired 1149 pilots, had never been bankrupt, and had yet to try a merger with United. RJs were strictly limited by scope. Turboprop feed still existed. Bunches of majors existed that are gone today. NW, CAL, ATA, America West. Even more small airlines fought for low fare supremacy... We had yet to see Metrojet, Song or Ted... JetBlue still sounded like a dishwasher detergent and hadn't flown a single hour. But Vanguard, Eastwind, ProAir, National, Southeast all flew...

Who is to say what the industry will look like in another 15 years? We can't predict what will happen in 5. Play the hand you're dealt and hope for the best.

No doubt, still doesn't answer the question. How many retirements are there , how much growth can there be, and how does that equate to upgrade, I'm 44, so it's a valid question.