I call Bullsh#t on that one. I personally know a guy who was offered a job with Hainan on the Boeing. He was offered 17k/month plus some small bonuses and he is a senior training captain. That's a far cry from the 28k/month (net of taxes!!!) you are claiming. Do you have a link to these conditions?
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I call Bullsh#t on that one. I personally know a guy who was offered a job with Hainan on the Boeing. He was offered 17k/month plus some small bonuses and he is a senior training captain. That's a far cry from the 28k/month (net of taxes!!!) you are claiming. Do you have a link to these conditions?
Sure do...on only the most popular expat job website in the world..and .on the very first page.
A little trigger happy today ?
Don't shoot the messenger
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Says the Mesa guy.
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For the life of me I can't comprehend as to how people relate the level of service with the age of the C/A's ??? If you look at the world ranking and the airlines that do well year after year, you will find that airlines from countries that have even stricter labor laws than in the US are on that list, companies like Lufthansa, Swiss Air, ANA, JAL have a very senior C/A group and very strict labor laws but they do very well service wise.......! The age of the C/A's and everything else is just an excuse to justify that the best performing airline in the US just cracked the top 50 and has 3 stars awarded by SKYTRAX......! There is no excuse, that is just pathetic!
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I don't care how nice or free the housing is...it's in Dubai. Couldn't pay me enough to live there.
My bad?I was cranky that day..Looks like a good package! Heading in the right direction. Hopefully EK gets the memo and we don't get another 0.5% raise!
Lol, no worries brother...let's put it down to fatigue ; >
Yep, certainly the contract will draw some away from KAL & CSA etc...who will have to respond.
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Agreed. But the whole point of my post was to illustrate that if that same pay and housing allowance were given to a USA base it would benefit all pilots.
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Here's what RA said about the ruling today in the DL conference call:
"Well, Fifth Freedoms under the Chicago Convention way back in the 1940s were never intended to be used the way that they were used in those circumstances. And so, we're optimistic that the decision of the Italian court will be a precedent that will be followed in other venues, because it was never the intention. The Fifth Freedoms were originally intended to take into account the range of airplanes to be able to fly nonstop, and it wasn't intended to in essence set up operations between two countries neither of which you are citizen of, so as standalone operations. So we're pleased with the result and we will be very vigilant as an industry and being certain that these kinds of unbalanced trade activities from state-owned subsidized enterprises don't create an unfair trade environment."
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"Well, Fifth Freedoms under the Chicago Convention way back in the 1940s were never intended to be used the way that they were used in those circumstances. And so, we're optimistic that the decision of the Italian court will be a precedent that will be followed in other venues, because it was never the intention. The Fifth Freedoms were originally intended to take into account the range of airplanes to be able to fly nonstop, and it wasn't intended to in essence set up operations between two countries neither of which you are citizen of, so as standalone operations. So we're pleased with the result and we will be very vigilant as an industry and being certain that these kinds of unbalanced trade activities from state-owned subsidized enterprises don't create an unfair trade environment."
Bye Bye---General Lee
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Here is his view on the EXIM Bank and the lower rate loans to places like Air India and the Gulf Carriers, from the Conference call:
"Well, we have played a significant role opposing it, and it's not so much the reauthorization. It's the bank needs to be reformed. There is no transparency around what it does with tax payers? money in the United States and it creates a huge subsidy for state-owned carriers in the United States.
So in essence while we don't have any aviation Airline policy, co-gen airline policy in the United States, our treasury goes and we get a very good view of this, because the companies that we own interests in, down in Brazil and Aeromexico, we get a pretty good glimpse of the kinds of financings that the Ex-Im Bank provides and they're well below market. And they're competing against private marketplace, alternatives to capital and we believe there needs to be reform.
And there is a place for the Bank in the marketplace when the bank was originally setup, back 60 or 70 years ago. It was to provide seed financing in developing nations. And now we're providing, at a time when we run huge deficits in the United States, we're taking the United States Treasury, the United States balance sheet and we're financing investment grade state-owned airlines at borrowing costs that are probably around 300 basis points less than what Delta would pay, and that's just not right for our government to do that. So there's a place for the bank, but the bank needs to be reformed and it needs to be transparent and it shouldn't be providing financing in any instance where there's a private market alternative. And our concerns are only limited to widebody airplanes. Not narrowbody airplanes or industrial equipment or the like.
I will point out that both Valero Energy and Cleveland-Cliffs Steel have both also filed objections in their industries in instances where the Bank has financed their foreign competitors to compete against U.S. interests. In the end, it's about jobs, and I can tell you that when the Ex-Im does this, as in the case of Air India, it takes jobs away from the United States."
After being asked if he thought there was any traction being made, he responded:
"Yes, we are gaining traction. At the last ASU negotiation, we significantly increased the financing costs by a couple of hundred basis points. Second, in the last round of reauthorization, there were transparency requirements, which have been largely ignored, and there was a requirement that the United States, State Department and Treasury engage with EU authorities to negotiate an end to both the EU and the U.S. run these huge, huge deficits. And the last thing they need to be doing is further funding those deficits by financing airplanes."
Bye Bye---General Lee
"Well, we have played a significant role opposing it, and it's not so much the reauthorization. It's the bank needs to be reformed. There is no transparency around what it does with tax payers? money in the United States and it creates a huge subsidy for state-owned carriers in the United States.
So in essence while we don't have any aviation Airline policy, co-gen airline policy in the United States, our treasury goes and we get a very good view of this, because the companies that we own interests in, down in Brazil and Aeromexico, we get a pretty good glimpse of the kinds of financings that the Ex-Im Bank provides and they're well below market. And they're competing against private marketplace, alternatives to capital and we believe there needs to be reform.
And there is a place for the Bank in the marketplace when the bank was originally setup, back 60 or 70 years ago. It was to provide seed financing in developing nations. And now we're providing, at a time when we run huge deficits in the United States, we're taking the United States Treasury, the United States balance sheet and we're financing investment grade state-owned airlines at borrowing costs that are probably around 300 basis points less than what Delta would pay, and that's just not right for our government to do that. So there's a place for the bank, but the bank needs to be reformed and it needs to be transparent and it shouldn't be providing financing in any instance where there's a private market alternative. And our concerns are only limited to widebody airplanes. Not narrowbody airplanes or industrial equipment or the like.
I will point out that both Valero Energy and Cleveland-Cliffs Steel have both also filed objections in their industries in instances where the Bank has financed their foreign competitors to compete against U.S. interests. In the end, it's about jobs, and I can tell you that when the Ex-Im does this, as in the case of Air India, it takes jobs away from the United States."
After being asked if he thought there was any traction being made, he responded:
"Yes, we are gaining traction. At the last ASU negotiation, we significantly increased the financing costs by a couple of hundred basis points. Second, in the last round of reauthorization, there were transparency requirements, which have been largely ignored, and there was a requirement that the United States, State Department and Treasury engage with EU authorities to negotiate an end to both the EU and the U.S. run these huge, huge deficits. And the last thing they need to be doing is further funding those deficits by financing airplanes."
Bye Bye---General Lee
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