FlexPilots

[johnnyride24]

I advise all FO's and junior Captains to get there resume out and contact the former pilots who have left to the Airlines or good Corporate ops for Recommendations. Some discouraging news is rumored to be coming. Don't wait until your on the street.....

 

[johnsonrod]

I advise all FO's and junior Captains to get there resume out and contact the former pilots who have left to the Airlines or good Corporate ops for Recommendations. Some discouraging news is rumored to be coming. Don't wait until your on the street.....

Good luck to all involved! I read this blurb on AINonline and it sounds like the union may be on the way out if Ricci has his way. Are you suggesting furloughs are on the way? GAMA/Wheels Up is hiring as are most airlines... I know that Spirit has hired a bunch of fractional pilots.

See the AIN blurb below:



Flight Options, Flexjet Owner Aims for Single Operation

After filing a grievance, Flight Options pilot union leaders met late last week with representatives of the fractional providers' parent company, Directional Aviation Capital (DAC), and Flexjet, which DAC purchased late last year. DAC plans eventually to consolidate Flight Options and Flexjet into a single Part 91K fractional and Part 135 charter operation, according to DAC principal Kenn Ricci. However, Flight Options' pilots, who are represented by IBT Local 1108, would have to ask the National Mediation Board for one-system declaration. Doing so would also trigger a vote for the union to cover all of the combined companies' pilots, a thorny issue since the Flexjet pilots are non-union and earn between 16 and 24 percent more than their Flight Options peers. Therefore, Ricci doesn't think the union will ask the NMB for one-system declaration until it believes it has enough votes between the two groups to retain the union. Pilots are key to our success, Ricci told AIN. "We're not asking for pay cuts, and we've tried to preserve salaries. Normally, we'd try to delay a single operating system, but we want [it], the sooner the better. But it could be bad for the union, since they might not have enough votes."

 

[wingsnthings]

I advise all FO's and junior Captains to get there resume out and contact the former pilots who have left to the Airlines or good Corporate ops for Recommendations. Some discouraging news is rumored to be coming. Don't wait until your on the street.....

What and where are the rumors coming from?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

I advise all FO's and junior Captains to get there resume out and contact the former pilots who have left to the Airlines or good Corporate ops for Recommendations. Some discouraging news is rumored to be coming. Don't wait until your on the street.....

Look, more disinformation from the IBT.

Sorry, no suckers here for your "rumor".

 

[V1 Rotate]

Not sure why I should be concerned for my job, as a Flexjet pilot, based on this article? The article fails to mention that there are two "storefronts" being serviced under one 135 certificate and two separate 91k operators. If this is just another attempt by a 1108 pusher to intimidate us, then he can take the AIN article and shove it. Regardless of where you stand on union or nonunion, the 1108 isn't making a very good case in trying to pursuance us Flexjetters into joining. I, for one, won't be intimidated by them.

 

[jetwash]

Not sure why I should be concerned for my job, as a Flexjet pilot, based on this article? The article fails to mention that there are two "storefronts" being serviced under one 135 certificate and two separate 91k operators. If this is just another attempt by a 1108 pusher to intimidate us, then he can take the AIN article and shove it. Regardless of where you stand on union or nonunion, the 1108 isn't making a very good case in trying to pursuance us Flexjetters into joining. I, for one, won't be intimidated by them.

He's not an Options pilot. From reading his former posts it looks like he has been down talking Flex for the last 5 years. It must be one of your former co workers.

 

[V1 Rotate]

I hope you're right but based on how heated it's getting on the other thread it just appeared that it was more of the same. Regardless, he can still shove it.

 

[wingsnthings]

Regardless, he can still shove it.

Hahaha! I couldn't agree more! Pointless post trying to get people in a panic!

 

[johnnyride24]

Im still here.

With that being said everyone at Flex is in for Uncle Kens wild ride.

You know its going to get bad when senior check airmen and Management pilots are trying to leave and the largest cheerleader T-Rex applied to American.

 

[jetdrvr]

Concur with raton.

Nut up and let everyone know who you are.

 

[johnnyride24]

We should of organized with the IBT. Flex pilots
are so naive and now they will pay. I know there are a couple on
this thread that came from TWA ALPA. They talk about how great flex is
and why we don't need a union. When your in
the training center and a kiss ass of course you don't
need representation. But for the rest of us we are about
to get screwed.

 

[wingsnthings]

We should of organized with the IBT. Flex pilots
are so naive and now they will pay. I know there are a couple on
this thread that came from TWA ALPA. They talk about how great flex is
and why we don't need a union. When your in
the training center and a kiss ass of course you don't
need representation. But for the rest of us we are about
to get screwed.

Take a deep breathe. Things don't happen overnight, and there is no way that anyone would allow us (Flex) to be stapled. DW said she would fight that too. We have a say in what happens here, just because FLOPS has a union, does not mean they can dictate everything concerning a merger. First we have to be deemed single carrier, then union vote, then seniority list. That will take a long time. Don't forget if/when 1108 is voted out, their "vision" for the seniority list will be tossed out. As for our jobs, keep doing what you are doing and things will be as they have been. I have not seen a change yet, and seriously doubt KR wants to rock a boat that is making him money. I'll admit that I have had a few freak outs, that is normal, but don't get consumed about a rumor. Just my 2cents.

 

[Brit]

There's no need to be putting someones personal information on here. No matter what you may think of TWA, he or she is still entitled to their opinions. Maybe it's time we all take a step back and cool off. Nothing has ever been solved on these message boards.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

We should of organized with the IBT. Flex pilots
are so naive and now they will pay. I know there are a couple on
this thread that came from TWA ALPA. They talk about how great flex is
and why we don't need a union. When your in
the training center and a kiss ass of course you don't
need representation. But for the rest of us we are about
to get screwed.

If we get screwed, we all get screwed together.

 

[The Architect]

Staple?

Take a deep breathe. Things don't happen overnight, and there is no way that anyone would allow us (Flex) to be stapled. DW said she would fight that too. We have a say in what happens here, just because FLOPS has a union, does not mean they can dictate everything concerning a merger. First we have to be deemed single carrier, then union vote, then seniority list. That will take a long time. Don't forget if/when 1108 is voted out, their "vision" for the seniority list will be tossed out. As for our jobs, keep doing what you are doing and things will be as they have been. I have not seen a change yet, and seriously doubt KR wants to rock a boat that is making him money. I'll admit that I have had a few freak outs, that is normal, but don't get consumed about a rumor. Just my 2cents.

Staple is gone. Any pilot group that believes the misrepresentation of that threat is simply lacking available informational education.

The McCaskill-Bond Act is the federal law of the land. It prohibits certain measures while enforcing others. It is not a union or company choice when it comes to integration of these pilot groups. It is federally mandated law. Primarily, the act requires that the carrier make provisions "for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner."

What's wrong with that?

 

[Praetorian]

We should of organized with the IBT. Flex pilots
are so naive and now they will pay. I know there are a couple on
this thread that came from TWA ALPA. They talk about how great flex is
and why we don't need a union. When your in
the training center and a kiss ass of course you don't
need representation. But for the rest of us we are about
to get screwed.

Let's take it down a notch here guys. Ask yourself, why would the union screw the Flex pilots? After all they need your votes to survive the merger.

I think what some of us are responding to is what we at Flight Options have come to know as FUD, Fear Uncertanty and Doubt. This is a standard union-busting technique employed by management in an attempt to keep us scared and guessing about our futures.

They make the calculation that once scared we will all come runnin to them for comfort and protection.

Don't fall for their tricks. They want us scared, divided and weak, because they know that at the end of they day we will cost them more as an organized group then we ever will as individuals.

It's all about the money.

So stop falling for the tricksters BS! We are on the same team here.

 

[GooseHZ]

You can have a voice at the table or a whisper in your so called friends ear....think about it folks.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

TWA. The whole point is for no pilot to get screwed. Are you standing up for your fellow Flex pilots at these meetings?

 

[GooseHZ]

TWA is in this for himself alone...or he's a hired hand...probably both. He's B19 all over again that makes him easy to deal with.

 

[CL300Pilot]

TWA is in this for himself alone...or he's a hired hand...probably both. He's B19 all over again that makes him easy to deal with.

Goose, no, he is not a hired hand nor a B19. He is a stand up guy that like all of us has his opinions. He is the type of guy that I would gladly share a cockpit with and in the worst possible scenarios, be happy he was next to me.