FlexPilots

[Praetorian]

We should of organized with the IBT. Flex pilots
are so naive and now they will pay. I know there are a couple on
this thread that came from TWA ALPA. They talk about how great flex is
and why we don't need a union. When your in
the training center and a kiss ass of course you don't
need representation. But for the rest of us we are about
to get screwed.

Let's take it down a notch here guys. Ask yourself, why would the union screw the Flex pilots? After all they need your votes to survive the merger.

I think what some of us are responding to is what we at Flight Options have come to know as FUD, Fear Uncertanty and Doubt. This is a standard union-busting technique employed by management in an attempt to keep us scared and guessing about our futures.

They make the calculation that once scared we will all come runnin to them for comfort and protection.

Don't fall for their tricks. They want us scared, divided and weak, because they know that at the end of they day we will cost them more as an organized group then we ever will as individuals.

It's all about the money.

So stop falling for the tricksters BS! We are on the same team here.

 

[GooseHZ]

You can have a voice at the table or a whisper in your so called friends ear....think about it folks.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

TWA. The whole point is for no pilot to get screwed. Are you standing up for your fellow Flex pilots at these meetings?

 

[GooseHZ]

TWA is in this for himself alone...or he's a hired hand...probably both. He's B19 all over again that makes him easy to deal with.

 

[CL300Pilot]

TWA is in this for himself alone...or he's a hired hand...probably both. He's B19 all over again that makes him easy to deal with.

Goose, no, he is not a hired hand nor a B19. He is a stand up guy that like all of us has his opinions. He is the type of guy that I would gladly share a cockpit with and in the worst possible scenarios, be happy he was next to me.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

CL. You might gladly share a cockpit with him and you might think he is a stand up guy but his actions tell a different story.

 

[CL300Pilot]

CL. You might gladly share a cockpit with him and you might think he is a stand up guy but his actions tell a different story.

We all have our own view points on the matter. Next one is on me :beer:

 

[el raton]

CL. You might gladly share a cockpit with him and you might think he is a stand up guy but his actions tell a different story.

His "actions"? What has he done, disagree with you? God forbid someone disagree with a teamster.

 

[el raton]

TWA. The whole point is for no pilot to get screwed. Are you standing up for your fellow Flex pilots at these meetings?

What's he standing up to? They haven't done anything to us, nothing has changed at Flex.

 

[slowtation capt]

What's he standing up to? They haven't done anything to us, nothing has changed at Flex.

Didn't you guys lose a percentage of your 401K match. Didn't you get converted from separate PTO/sick/vacation time to the famous 1 for all PTO/sick/vacation time bank-thus losing approximately 8 days in the transition, didn't you have but 1 payscale for every pilot, and now you have different scales based on the fleet type.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Didn't you guys lose a percentage of your 401K match. Didn't you get converted from separate PTO/sick/vacation time to the famous 1 for all PTO/sick/vacation time bank-thus losing approximately 8 days in the transition, didn't you have but 1 payscale for every pilot, and now you have different scales based on the fleet type.

401(k) match didn't change

PTO was reduced by 3 days. We had 10 sick days on top of vacation. Now we gave 7 PTO days we can use for anything. For those of gs that didn't use all our sick days every year this was a gain.

Our payscale hasn't changed.


Any other "rumors" we can shed light on?

 

[chief9404]

401(k) match didn't change

Now we gave 7 PTO days we can use for anything.


Try using those PTO days for just "anything" and see what happens. You have a lot to learn.

 

[slowtation capt]

401(k) match didn't change

What was your match before KR took over? What is your match now?


PTO was reduced by 3 days. We had 10 sick days on top of vacation. Now we gave 7 PTO days we can use for anything. For those of gs that didn't use all our sick days every year this was a gain.

Great for those that don't use all the sick days, but for those that do or if you want to look at it as a whole, it's a lose of time


Our payscale hasn't changed.

Any other "rumors" we can shed light on?

These "rumors" are "rumors" that I have heard from multiple Flex Pilots out on the road. Approximately a dozen have said these 3 items specifically. That's a high number for it to be a "rumor"

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Our 401(k) match is 100% on the first 6% and the company adds an additional 3% on top of that. So, I put in 6 and the put in 9. This is identical to before DAC.

Our old sick bank didn't roll over. Use it or loose it. Now we can bank up to 40 days. Unless I need to use all my sick days in a year I get to either use them as additional days of or roll them to next year. That is a bonus for us.

Not sure who you heard about our payscale changing, but ZERO has changed.

 

[Club ORD FO]

These "rumors" are "rumors" that I have heard from multiple Flex Pilots out on the road. Approximately a dozen have said these 3 items specifically. That's a high number for it to be a "rumor"

I'll concur with what the others said. Our match is the same (100% of first 6%). I think what they may be talking about is we use to have a bonus match that paid out on each paycheck (extra 2% I think it was). Now we get the bonus match in one lump sum at the end of the year. At least I think that's right?? I'm not sure of the amount of this bonus match. I think it's the same.

The transition from sock to PTO was not awesome but I know guys have been granted PTO days just fine and nobody is complaining about it now. The pay scales have not changed.