USAir Base Bid Published

[Turtle21]

28 open Wide Body FO positions will go to new hires

Lots of captain upgrades

Some open 190 captain positions

 

[RJLoser]

I don't understand the open 190CA positions. Why were they not awarded? Think there were pilots that had their bid in.

Edit: answer: need 500 hours with the company.

 

[FlyinGuy]

So do the westies get any of that action?

 

[Turtle21]

I don't understand the open 190CA positions. Why were they not awarded? Think there were pilots that had their bid in.

Edit: answer: need 500 hours with the company.

That plus the pay rates for a reserve 190 captain are about the same as for a block holding AB320 FO at 2nd year, and for guys at 12 years the block holding 190 captain position is less than a AB 330 reserve or 767 block. Unless you live in PHL and like to fly lots of legs it really isn't too appealing.

 

[xanderman]

So do the westies get any of that action?

Nope. The east thugs demanded our wallets and we refused so now they are gonna beat us every which way they can. Oh well. I can take a beating and smile knowing turn-about is fair play.

 

[St. Nic]

Suck it westicles! You desserved this and brought it on yourselfs!

 

[redflyer65]

Brought what upon themselves?

They agreed to binding arbitration just like the East did.

 

[xanderman]

Suck it westicles! You desserved this and brought it on yourselfs!

Ah... The pinnacle of aviators I see. You represent your ilk well.

 

[Turtle21]

Brought what upon themselves?

They agreed to binding arbitration just like the East did.

ALPA arbitration happened and it turns out that ALPA arbitration was not all that binding. Go figure. ALPA over promising and under delivering.

Who cares who is "to blame". All sides made their choices along the way and we all had to accept the risk associated with the path we chose.

The courts were expensive and the defendants prevailed. C'est la vie. Time to move on.

 

[JetMonkey]

Oh, we're moving on alright…without that joke of a union.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Oh, we're moving on alright?without that joke of a union.

And without the NIC! Sorry, couldn't resist...

 

[Guppiedriver]

ALPA arbitration happened and it turns out that ALPA arbitration was not all that binding. Go figure. ALPA over promising and under delivering.

Who cares who is "to blame". All sides made their choices along the way and we all had to accept the risk associated with the path we chose.

The courts were expensive and the defendants prevailed. C'est la vie. Time to move on.

No, your side made a choice that forced us to defend ourselves.

You prevailed? What was it that you won?

Yep, time to move on to a real union...the sooner the better.

 

[Turtle21]

No, your side made a choice that forced us to defend ourselves.

You prevailed? What was it that you won?

Yep, time to move on to a real union...the sooner the better.

Bid 2007-01 through Bid 2014-03...and counting.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Bid 2007-01 through Bid 2014-03...and counting.

Most of which were captured under LOA 93...you must be so proud. Better enjoy them while they last.

 

[Flybywire44]

There will probably be 5-6 more East bids before SOC.

 

[Carl S.]

Enjoy that elite E190 flying....must be fun to bid in the bottom 2% of a fleet....enjoy the holidays and weekends till you jump off the bottom...I am enjoying my time in PHX with pilots with positive views on life, not bitter old angry Easties I see in the system.

 

[redflyer65]

A simple question about these upgrades (no dog in the fight, just don't know)...

How will those pilots be handled with regard to the upcoming SLI? More favorably because they will be CA's, or has the snapshot taken place with AMR and those guys will be listed as FO's? Or does anyone have a guess?

 

[Hpilot]

A simple question about these upgrades (no dog in the fight, just don't know)...

How will those pilots be handled with regard to the upcoming SLI? More favorably because they will be CA's, or has the snapshot taken place with AMR and those guys will be listed as FO's? Or does anyone have a guess?

Most likely snapshot already taken. I'm sure USAPA will use as evidence of something akin to career expectations, yes I know it's ironic. The question is though, will USAPA be around? Who knows. I do find it interesting though that some of the third listers I know want to bid west as soon as they can, even though there is very little movement. They were very disappointed new hires are heading west, but third listers can't. Part of it could be geographic preference, but from what they've said some of it I think is that for a group that is supposedly wining, the east as a whole is a very angry group.

 

[Turtle21]

There will probably be 5-6 more East bids before SOC.

My Momma told me if you are gloating you are winning, and if you are whining when someone else is gloating you are admitting you are a loser.

Keep gloating. The fishing is good.

 

[Turtle21]

A simple question about these upgrades (no dog in the fight, just don't know)...

How will those pilots be handled with regard to the upcoming SLI? More favorably because they will be CA's, or has the snapshot taken place with AMR and those guys will be listed as FO's? Or does anyone have a guess?

There is no protocol agreement in place regarding the SLI other than MB, and even the obligations and protections under MB are being disputed (law suit filed). We don't even agree what process is in place, I don't think anyone could give you a good guess on details you enquire about, though you do raise a good question.