Thanks Jetblue and Spirit for raising the bar.

[JT12345]

Nice job.

About $190 an hour and over $200 in a couple years.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Sarcasm???

 

[JT12345]

Sarcasm???

No. Absolutely not. Hell no.
I am relieved. Less disparity from low to high on the curve.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Why the new found gratitude?

 

[$$$4nothin]

No. Absolutely not. Hell no.
I am relieved. Less disparity from low to high on the curve.

Well if we can get ALPA on property, get a few more career protections, and a narrow body industry leading CBA I will feel better.

 

[humveedriver]

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/articl...848/jetblue-costs-rise-on-pilot-pay-rate-bump

 

[humveedriver]

This article hates on Spirit. Damn, don't buy a ticket if you don't like the product.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/07/12/why-spirit-airlines-will-never-be-great-again/

 

[flyboyike]

This article hates on Spirit. Damn, don't buy a ticket if you don't like the product.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/07/12/why-spirit-airlines-will-never-be-great-again/

You mean you're not supposed to get a Neimann Marcus experience at Costco?

 

[IUSTACHECKEM]

"Well if we can get ALPA on property, get a few more career protections, and a narrow body industry leading CBA I will feel better.[/QUOTE]"

Now the sarcasm. Then you will be told you are working your way up to a true "Professional Career" (at a major) and start taking concessionary contracts to "protect your future".

Way to go Sprit and Blue you did have raised the bar on your own.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Spirit will begin pushing the bar higher when negotiations start next year. No reason NK pilots will not attain an industry leading contract with the company making record profits while growing 20% annually. Stay tuned.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Why would you want ALPA on the property. I can't thnink of a worse way to achieve what you want.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Why would you want ALPA on the property. I can't thnink of a worse way to achieve what you want.

Oh ya. Do you currently work for an ALPA carrier. If so, answer me this one question. Would you drop ALPA and all union representation for your group to let your management and BOD make all your pay, work rule, and compensation decisions unilaterally. If you do work for an ALPA carrier have you gone through a merger lately. If so how would you have liked going through that merger with just your CEO negotiating the deal you as a pilot received post merger. Keeping in mind he has to legally do what is fiduciarily best for the share holders and not the pilots. How would you feel if your work rules changed at anytime randomly via an email from the company vs. a vote from your group and you couldn't do any thing about it. While no one at JB thinks ALPA is perfect I assure you not having any representation no longer works. An in house won't work because we don't have the funding and the company is very hostile towards representation. Ask FedEx how an in house works with a hostile management. The other option is the truckers union. So come work for a carrier with no representation whatsoever and then say that again.

So you tell me smart guy. What is the best way to achieve what we want, because asking management pretty please and doing a survey doesn't cut it anymore.

Btw some of the things I want.
Legal protection - ALPA gives me that day one
Aero Medical - ALPA gives me that day one
Merger Protection - ALPA gives me that day one
A seat at the negotiation table - ALPA gives me that the day my pilot group votes in an MEC.
Loss of medical insurance - ALPA gives me the ability to get that
So I see ALPA as a pretty good way to achieve what I want.

 

[Turtle21]

Why would you want ALPA on the property. I can't thnink of a worse way to achieve what you want.

ALPA had its usefulness in the past but really isn't the best option in today world. Any sizable pilot group is more than smart enough to set up its own independent union with more than enough dues to buy all the same resources that ALPA buys. ALPA is nothing more than an expensive middle man with competing interests.

ALPA is a thirsty camel at best and a thousand leaches at worst.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Why would you want ALPA on the property. I can't thnink of a worse way to achieve what you want.

Waiting.......

 

[BeachBummer]

Why would you want ALPA on the property. I can't thnink of a worse way to achieve what you want.

Maybe we can jump up and down and stomp our feet! I'm sure managment "gets it" "this time"... Good things to come, right around the corner... Free beer tomorrow! Don't forget the wide body order... Awsomeness can't be achieved with 3rd party representation! You can't talk to your chief pilot with a union...

That's why every other airline pilot group is voting out their unions for the direct relationship.