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densoo

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January 23, 2014

Fellow ALPA members:

ALPA goes to great lengths to plan for its future to ensure that your union remains strong in our defense of your career. Our risk management program and meticulous financial planning provide the necessary safeguards against unforeseen circumstances so we can seamlessly provide the services our members rely on and deserve.

Today, we settled a long-standing 2002 lawsuit. Some alleged that Brady v. ALPA, with initial damages sought in the billions, could impair our future. It won?t. In fact, the settlement we secured in the lawsuit, a case that has been in the courts for more than a decade and the subject of wild speculation, allows your union to move forward in a strong position and continue our work on your behalf. This is positive progress for you and for your union and will close a difficult chapter in ALPA?s history.

ALPA settled this case as a pragmatic business decision to preserve the long-term health of the union and is in no way an admission of guilt. The settlement agreement reached is for a fraction of the amount sought by the plaintiffs in the litigation and one that ALPA planned for and in no way affects our work on your behalf.

Despite speculation, the facts are as follows:

Your dues will not go up. In fact, your dues rate went down on January 1, 2014 as planned.

There will be no assessment of our membership. You bear no personal liability for the settlement.

The settlement will in no way impair or affect ALPA?s ability to continue its tireless advocacy on your behalf.

The settlement will close a difficult chapter in ALPA?s history, dating back more than a decade, that some alleged would lead to ALPA?s demise. That chapter and those riotous rumors are behind us now and ALPA remains strong going into our future.
Through diligent strategic and financial planning under the guidance of our elected governing bodies, our risk management program allows us to resolve Brady in a way that protects ALPA?s future. Our reinsurers will pay a significant portion of a shared payment of $53 million to the plaintiffs and their attorneys and we are currently engaged in discussions with the reinsurers that we expect will increase the amount of their contribution even more. With initial damages sought in the billions, this settlement, while significant, is far less than what the plaintiffs pursued. And because of our preparation and risk management, ALPA will make our portion of the payment without impairing our operations or services, without assessing our members, and without raising dues.

We have a settlement agreement and the judge now has to approve it. But the progress we have made on the Brady case allows your union to move forward in a strong position, without affecting our members? financial obligations in any way. ALPA continues its more than 80 year history of never assessing our membership due to litigation.

To read more about Brady v. ALPA and how your union protects itself against litigation, go to www.alpa.org/brady, where you can read more about the history of the 2002 lawsuit, the settlement agreement, and ALPA?s insurance program, which helped to significantly defray ALPA?s financial obligation.

Despite unfortunate cases like this where pilots sue pilots, your union, under the direction and guidance of your democratically elected representatives, goes to great lengths to protect your career. At the bargaining table, in Washington, DC and Ottawa, and in scheduling with safety, we are your voice to ensure that your chosen profession is the safest in the world, and one that you can be proud of.

Air Line Pilots Association, International
www.alpa.org

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True. But they were asking for billions, and basically got nothing. As I predicted. Hopefully people will learn their lesson about wasting tons of money and time on silly DFR suits. But probably not.
 
wow alpa dodged a bullet! Thought it would have been settled for 3 times that amount. Good thing it didn't go to trial or it would have been for 10 times that amount. Alpa basically F****d the TWA pilots , as the jury found them guilty of...
 
How many pilots will be splitting this . . . after the lawyers get theirs?

The lawyers will get a few million. A few million more for "administrative costs." The named plaintiffs will have costs of their own to be reimbursed. When it's all said and done, maybe about $40 million to be divided up among 2,300 class members. If divided up evenly, that would be under $18k per pilot. The settlement is silent on the exact attorney's fees and how it will be divided up between members of the class. Those documents will be filed later.
 
If divided up evenly, that would be under $18k per pilot.
After taxes about $12k. Not a bad month's work. Too bad it was years of income they lost. Flew with someone last summer who was expecting north of $200k. Tough business.
 
True. But they were asking for billions, and basically got nothing. As I predicted. Hopefully people will learn their lesson about wasting tons of money and time on silly DFR suits. But probably not.

You are out of your mind. ALPA screwed the TWA guys.
 
ALPA cheerleaders always seem to amaze me these guys paid dues for years and got handed to APA without a fight some union, and then the ALPA supporters cheer about the award, sad.
 
After taxes about $12k. Not a bad month's work. Too bad it was years of income they lost. Flew with someone last summer who was expecting north of $200k. Tough business.

Many of us told them that they were spinning their wheels. They didn't listen and wasted years dreaming of something that was never going to come.
 
PCL

Just wait till ALPA throws you under the buss in order to make more money.

Ps. You have no idea how bad ALPA screwed the TWA pilots.
 
I've already been thrown under the bus.....by my own local pilots who gave away our seniority. I don't agree with you that the wrong decisions were made at TWA, but even if I did, the blame wouldn't rest with the people in Herndon; it would rest with your own local leaders who make decisions.
 
I thought Dwayne Worthless went down there and tried to get the American pilots into the fold by selling out the TWA guys. Wasn't he from Herndon?
 
I thought Dwayne Worthless went down there and tried to get the American pilots into the fold by selling out the TWA guys. Wasn't he from Herndon?

Never happened. The only time Captain Woerth went down there was before the merger, and all contact was broken off when the merger was announced. Besides, ALPA national has no control over local decisions, so there's no way to "sell out" a pilot group even if you wanted to. They make their own decisions, and they fund their own attorneys in an integration. National has no control of anything.
 
Funny, because every TWA pilot I talk to says that Worthless was in their crew rooms telling them to agree to the deal their reps were about to put in front of them.....apparently, APA dangled their entire pilot group in front of ALPA IF they would tell the TWA guys/gals to agree.....so thats what they did and got royally SCREWED!! HUGE black eye for ALPA!!
 
Funny, because every TWA pilot I talk to says.....

You mean those same people who have been insisting for years that their case was so tight that they were going to walk away with "billions?" :rolleyes:
 
I don't talk religion, politics or how TWA did/didn't get screwed.
 
PCL is a ALPA apologist. No matter what facts we show him he'll stick with his mantra.

While many of us wish the award was higher, in the end THIS WASN'T ABOUT THE MONEY! ALPA was found guilty of DFR in a federal court (2011). ALPA DID throw the TWA pilots under the bus in an attempt to bring the APA pilots back into the fold.
 
Hey PCL, isn't your term as EVP up yet? You can quit making excuses for ALPA any time now. Oh, and you really look like a schmuck in that brown suit with everyone else wearing gray. Didn't they tell you pictures would be taken that day?

Anyone who doesn't think the TWA pilots got screwed has their head too buried in Herndon's ass to have a valid opinion. I'm talking to you PCL.
 
ALPA saying they did nothing wrong and paying out $53 million is a complete joke. At least admit that mistakes were made and that settling was in the best interests of everyone. Insurance Companies dont just fork over $$$ because you want them to - especially not at or near the top of their policy limits. They evaluated the case, knew they were going to pay so they avoided cost of trial. ALPA knew they would lose, also knew there were few assets beyond the insurance $ that could be recovered and cut a deal. Saying the TWA pilots caved is a farce - they got as much as they could and walked. Having a billion dollar judgment against someone who has $53 million in cash will result in you recovering the cash and not much else. ALPA would have avoided the rest of the judgement by filing bankruptcy or its union equivalent and pouring future dues into the restructured entity.

It is a complete disservice to tell me what a great job you did avoiding paying more than the $53 MILLION DOLLARS actually paid.

I imagine this is the largest DFR award in the history of organized labor. To paint it in any other shade of BS is a complete joke. But then again it is par for the course.
 
Nice spin. I figured you'd have to work pretty hard to justify that massive cave from $2 billion down to $0.053 billion. Well done!
 
Never happened. The only time Captain Woerth went down there was before the merger, and all contact was broken off when the merger was announced. Besides, ALPA national has no control over local decisions, so there's no way to "sell out" a pilot group even if you wanted to. They make their own decisions, and they fund their own attorneys in an integration. National has no control of anything.



Funny the same thing was said on the stand which was proven to be otherwise....as were other key pieces of info.

From what I have heard you say over the years in regards to the lawsuit, is really just an extension of ALPA talk, but with the insignia below your name, I guess it's to be expected.

I went to the closing arguements, listened objectively and learned a lot...it was worse than I thought, the DFR was valid as the juror's confirmed....ALPA doesn't pay 53 million if it's not....y'all are smart enough to figure that out

You have been outspoken, to the point of insulting the former TWA guys and gals about this lawsuit for sometime now, here at AT and on this board...the highlight you wrote above is simply not true, and shows that you have more of an "ALPA opinion" than detailed knowledge about the case.

You are a hard working smart gent and I have enjoyed our talks together in the past...well not all of them ;)......but you should know when to bite your tongue..IMHO this is one of them

Congrats again on your recent happening:beer:
 
the DFR was valid as the juror's confirmed....ALPA doesn't pay 53 million if it's not....y'all are smart enough to figure that out

Actually, ALPA pays that because it basically amounts to nuisance settlement costs for a case like this. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 

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