WN pilot terminated?

[Mercyful Fate]

I am shocked that the 88 Boeing 717's delta is getting have not been brought up yet.

Was thinking the same thing????

 

[ROSWELL41]

So this doesn't add up. I imagine there is more to the story?

 

[PCL_128]

I just can't imagine why it would even cross their minds to terminate him in the first place...

Because in VdV's mind, anything less than absolute adoration and devotion to SWA is unacceptable. Even the mere thought that things might be slightly better somewhere else is treason and unimaginable to him.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Because in VdV's mind, anything less than absolute adoration and devotion to SWA is unacceptable. Even the mere thought that things might be slightly better somewhere else is treason and unimaginable to him.

If this is true, then WN has much larger 'culture' problem than I ever imagined. How will those hired there in the last ten years handle it when they are no longer the top paid pilots in the industry? I suspect for many, the 'culture' might be only as lasting as having the largest paycheck and the 5ish year upgrade.

 

[waveflyer]

Hey pcl,
Since some things are always better at some places-
Can you tell us what SWA does better than air tran?

(Btw, very few of us argued FOR flight ops at SWA and are happy to see good practices from air tran come into the mix- do you not see that?- it's just the really important stuff like work environment and how much your chief will back you when your kid gets sick is more important than dealing with something weird like a company procedures approach or a countdown from 500')

 

[scoreboardII]

Because in VdV's mind, anything less than absolute adoration and devotion to SWA is unacceptable. Even the mere thought that things might be slightly better somewhere else is treason and unimaginable to him.

No, it was done for purely monetary reasons. "He's leaving, he doesn't need our pay or benefits, he's terminated now, do it".

Then, the reality that what they did violates about three items in the CBA kicked in. They have apologized.

And this is the heart of the issue, everything is being done based on monetary issues, without a shred of review what it does to people. That is where the real problem begins, stepping over dollars to save pennies.

 

[scoreboardII]

If this is true, then WN has much larger 'culture' problem than I ever imagined. How will those hired there in the last ten years handle it when they are no longer the top paid pilots in the industry? I suspect for many, the 'culture' might be only as lasting as having the largest paycheck and the 5ish year upgrade.

They'll handle it just like the previous 40 years they were not the top paid, all the way to the bank.

The culture has nothing to do with the money, that's an often misrepresented idea. The idea is, we, in the jet, are the culture. How we treat each other, how the company treats us, etc. Now, I admit, the company treatment of it's employees has been on a decline, but the culture between employees is for all intensive purposes fine, with the exception of outliers.

 

[waveflyer]

If this is true,....

It's FI, from the biggest anti SWA agenda on the internet-
c'mon now, you know less than anything about SWA if you get it from FI

We haven't had 5 year upgrades since age 65 and we do have a culture problem- but if we have a culture problem, we have 1/3 of the culture problem every other airline has- it's a problem and SWA can do better- but perspective is on us as a pilot group too- how many pissed off pilots have we all known who had great contracts

There's a big difference being the lowest paid if everyone leapfrog's us vs us taking a paycut-

 

[ROSWELL41]

They'll handle it just like the previous 40 years they were not the top paid, all the way to the bank.

The culture has nothing to do with the money, that's an often misrepresented idea. The idea is, we, in the jet, are the culture. How we treat each other, how the company treats us, etc. Now, I admit, the company treatment of it's employees has been on a decline, but the culture between employees is for all intensive purposes fine, with the exception of outliers.

I hope the culture is that strong. My point is mostly in reference to those who came to WN because they have been at the top of the pile (since 2001 or so), who perhaps would have gone to UAL or DAL had they not had their CBAs destroyed by bankruptcy. I think it speaks volumes about the culture of the workforce if they can provide the same positive environment even being mid-pack in terms of compensation and advancement. It's definitely a transitional period for WN in more ways than one.

 

[ROSWELL41]

It's FI, from the biggest anti SWA agenda on the internet-
c'mon now, you know less than anything about SWA if you get it from FI

We haven't had 5 year upgrades since age 65 and we do have a culture problem- but if we have a culture problem, we have 1/3 of the culture problem every other airline has- it's a problem and SWA can do better- but perspective is on us as a pilot group too- how many pissed off pilots have we all known who had great contracts

There's a big difference being the lowest paid if everyone leapfrog's us vs us taking a paycut-

All good points. WN is about the only airline you can even discuss 'culture' with a straight face.

 

[scoreboardII]

I hope the culture is that strong. My point is mostly in reference to those who came to WN because they have been at the top of the pile (since 2001 or so), who perhaps would have gone to UAL or DAL had they not had their CBAs destroyed by bankruptcy. I think it speaks volumes about the culture of the workforce if they can provide the same positive environment even being mid-pack in terms of compensation and advancement. It's definitely a transitional period for WN in more ways than one.

Absolutely.

I think compensation isn't really the issue here, its more in line with seniority in seat and or upgrade times, which does have a monetary side, but upgrade also has quality of life which in todays flat market is a big decider.

 

[General Lee]

If this is true, then WN has much larger 'culture' problem than I ever imagined. How will those hired there in the last ten years handle it when they are no longer the top paid pilots in the industry? I suspect for many, the 'culture' might be only as lasting as having the largest paycheck and the 5ish year upgrade.

I agree with you. Many of the guys at the bottom who KNOW there will be stagnation may want to look around for something better, but this threat may have them feeling nervous. So much for the "LUV" culture.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Scoot 11]

General-
Don't you have another RJ to sellout?

Why? You gonna PFT to fly it again, sellout?

 

[waveflyer]

Why? You gonna PFT to fly it again, sellout?

Some disenfranchised pilot not on your seniority list will-

And when they do, as you put more and more pilots in that sh-tty position, remember it IS YOU, as the major airline pilot with a VOTE who allowed that whipsaw market to exist

 

[Ops check good]

Was thinking the same thing????

Never saw that coming.... we are on the same page about something! :beer:

 

[waveflyer]

I agree with you. Many of the guys at the bottom who KNOW there will be stagnation may want to look around for something better, but this threat may have them feeling nervous. So much for the "LUV" culture.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Yes
General lee
The AUTHORITY on southwest culture

Lurkers: please ignore ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WORKS AT SWA- and just pay attention to general lee. You just won't know the industry if you don't really take to heart his public service announcements.

 

[Kingwood]

Good to hear. It's a shame that the process had to go through those steps. I'm sure pilots leaving is a new reality that this mgmt. would not be easily swayed towards accepting. Glad they did the right thing when faced by a "major uproar" by the pilots, adds insight to other situations.

Well sure as heck wasn't a "colonel uproar"

Actually, I'd be interested in hearing if other company management types have ever sacked up and reversed a kneejerk, dumbsheet decree. First one here in a while..Don't know who if was in flt ops, but good on him for eating crow

Much better than the old "U-fly Mike" gotta talk to the lawyers...make it TSO'd ...wear these ear buds...two year odyssey cover story B.S.

 

[Mamma]

Yes
General lee
The AUTHORITY on southwest culture

Lurkers: please ignore ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WORKS AT SWA- and just pay attention to general lee. You just won't know the industry if you don't really take to heart his public service announcements.

Enough of the culture stuff. The bottom line is companies, especially publicly traded ones do what is best for the bottom line and the shareholder. If that means instilling this "culture" to keep turnover and benefits low then so be it. JetBlue tried it and it lasted till the company's bottom line started hurting. SWA would be no different. If you "feel" having this perceived culture works for you then great. SWA is all grown up though and you guys need to come back to reality. Herb is gone. The underdog fight is no more. You just brought on a bunch of "inferior" Airtran pilots.

I work at Alaska. I am treated fairly and as a professional by my company with no false expectations. We are bonded together as employees of a company and all pull to make sure we keep our vested livlihoods moving forward. As pilots we have little choice given the alternative. It's a business where professionalism is expected in both directions. So what exactly is so different now at SWA that makes you feel so special? What is this culture makes you feel better than all the rest? I don't see it.

 

[waveflyer]

Maybe we'll merge Mamma and you can find out

 

[Mamma]

Maybe we'll merge Mamma and you can find out

Maybe.

 

[nimtz]

I work at Alaska. I am treated fairly and as a professional by my company with no false expectations. We are bonded together as employees of a company and all pull to make sure we keep our vested livlihoods moving forward. As pilots we have little choice given the alternative. It's a business where professionalism is expected in both directions. So what exactly is so different now at SWA that makes you feel so special? What is this culture makes you feel better than all the rest? I don't see it.

Neither you or I were fortunate enough to get instilled with "warrior spirit" as Wave was by General (or was it QB) Kelly.

 

[Scoot 11]

Some disenfranchised pilot not on your seniority list will-

Like you did you hypocritical prick?

And when they do, as you put more and more pilots in that sh-tty position, remember it IS YOU, as the major airline pilot with a VOTE who allowed that whipsaw market to exist

And YOU as the hypocritical azzwipe who took that job! Then, when she couldn't get hired anywhere, bought her job at southwest!
Well done wavegirl! You're the epitome of DOOSH BAG!

 

[tankerhead]

Pot, kettle, blah, blah, scoot-poot.

 

[General Lee]

Maybe.

If so..... You had BETTER take the first offer, or else!!!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Like you did you hypocritical prick?


And YOU as the hypocritical azzwipe who took that job! Then, when she couldn't get hired anywhere, bought her job at southwest!
Well done wavegirl! You're the epitome of DOOSH BAG!

Funny. I was just thinking your DELTA REQUIRED four college degree was a BS in DOOSHBAGGERY.

Go figure.

How much did that cost? Haha.

 

[waveflyer]

Like you did you hypocritical prick?


And YOU as the hypocritical azzwipe who took that job! Then, when she couldn't get hired anywhere, bought her job at southwest!
Well done wavegirl! You're the epitome of DOOSH BAG!

You know, if you give yourself a heart attack over me pointin out what SELLOUTS DALPA pilots are, I don't benefit by moving up a number.... So.... Just calm down and eat some fruit or something-
and realize I was furloughed by mainline at the same time you voted to outsource even more jets- so feel free to call me whatever you want- I HONESTLY stopped giving a f^ck what the average baby boomer legacy pilot thought about the time the first large RJ's started showing up on regional properties.

And who's a d*uche? You really think calling me a girl is some sort of insult? Why dont you call me a fag and complete the cycle you moronic hooker

Luv,
Waveflyer

 

[General Lee]

Funny. I was just thinking your DELTA REQUIRED four college degree was how to be a BS in DOOSHBAGGERY.

Go figure.

How much did that cost? Haha.

Not as much as Red-liar's type rating! Why does your airline still require that again? Sooooo stoooopid.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You know, if you give yourself a heart attack over me pointin out what SELLOUTS DALPA pilots are, I don't benefit by moving up a number.... So.... Just calm down and eat some fruit or something-
and realize I was furloughed by mainline at the same time you voted to outsource even more jets- so feel free to call me whatever you want- I HONESTLY stopped giving a f^ck what the average baby boomer legacy pilot thought about the time the first large RJ's started showing up on regional properties.

And who's a d*uche? You really think calling me a girl is some sort of insult? Why dont you call me a fag and complete the cycle you moronic bitch.

Luv,
Waveflyer

Yikes! Whoa! Su-wheat!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Not as much as Red-liar's type rating! Why does your airline still require that again? Sooooo stoooopid.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Your talking about 5 grand that I deducted from my taxes?

Out of pocket around 1 grand. That was paid in the first month Jenny, but thanks for your concern. I'm sure I made more than you this year and I'm only on year 4. That's got to be painful, and I get that. I'm sorry for your pain, idiot.

Better keep an eye on that refinery. Still no profit? Wow.


Here's one for you Jenny.....HOW MUCH WAS YOUR DEGREE?

 

[waveflyer]

General said his degree cost less than a type !!

That explains a LOT!