Mindset of the typical US Airways east pilot?

[Guppiedriver]

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_285_Letter_filed_by_James_H._Anderson.pdf

 

[Metrojet]

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_285_Letter_filed_by_James_H._Anderson.pdf

The last paragraph was an interesting comparison , even if you disagree with the writer

 

[Guppiedriver]

Only because it fits your delusional argument. I am willing to bet that the majority of East pilots agree with this nutbag.

 

[banger]

He called us former Navy LSO's non-commissioned Officers.

 

[DCAA320]

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_285_Letter_filed_by_James_H._Anderson.pdf

WTF do you know about a typical East pilot? That's what I thought, NOTHING! ***********************************.

One guy writes a letter and now he speaks for everyone?

 

[RLAblows]

We at AirTran hear the same thing from Southwest guys all of the time, but I'm sure Captain Anderson would say the same thing about Southwest. This letter to Judge Silver is the epitome of pilot arrogance. An exercise in self importance. Here's to you major airline pilot.

 

[Guppiedriver]

WTF do you know about a typical East pilot? That's what I thought, NOTHING! ***********************************.

One guy writes a letter and now he speaks for everyone?

If you'll notice, I put a question mark at the end of the title of the thread.

 

[DCAA320]

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[Metrojet]

Only because it fits your delusional argument. I am willing to bet that the majority of East pilots agree with this nutbag.

You said you put a question mark at the end of the thread - but then u make a statement about the majority of the East Pilots - so you really weren't asking a question - just stating your own opinion - which everyone is allowed to have, but you can't make up facts - if you really don't personally know many East Pilots.

Happy Thanksgiving

Metrojet

 

[Guppiedriver]

After your comment about the last paragraph and the fact that you didn't blast that jackass, told me all that I needed about how easties think.

 

[Jim]

He talks about the AA merger but conveniently forgets to mention it was the AWA merger that saved his job. Without the dirt bag AWA he'd have been on the street begging instead of whining about how unfair life is to a Judge.

Notice when he was describing all the attributes of a East pilot, he never included integrity.

It's funny that even the US Airway management doesn't think USAPA will fairly represent the West pilot during SLI talks with APA. From the Leonidas last update:

US Airways motion asked the Court to enter a declaratory judgment that the ?West Pilots have the right under Federal McCaskill-Bond statute to full and separate representation in the upcoming seniority-integration proceedings between the pilots employed by US Airways and American Airlines, Inc.?,

This motion also clearly states that management accepted the Nic list and the only reason it hasn't implemented it was the transition agreement requiring operational integration for seniority integration to take place.

It'll be nice when the USAir/AA merger is complete and USAPA is relegated to the dung heap where it belongs.

 

[reepicheep]

Pretty much your standard mainstream rusthead/ AFO mentality. Nothing new to see here.

 

[weasel_lips]

You guys are simple minded fools to believe one person speaks for everyone.

 

[Bringupthebird]

That has got to be made up! C'mon now fess up, who wrote that?

 

[dollacrackho]

Hope I get to fly with that gem. Sounds like one of those guys that would make you feel like a trouser stain because you weren't an f-15 pilot. Right off that bat i'm in big trouble because i wear corrective lenses and was not in the military. I'm not fit to shine that mans boots.

 

[JohnQ]

Is there a Candid Camera or MTV Punk'd episode coming up, because I cannot imagine this being for real. Check out the email address at the end of the letter. [email protected]? That has to be a joke, or the writer is the biggest tool this side of the Atlantic.

 

[Ocity]

Hope I get to fly with that gem. Sounds like one of those guys that would make you feel like a trouser stain because you weren't an f-15 pilot. Right off that bat i'm in big trouble because i wear corrective lenses and was not in the military. I'm not fit to shine that mans boots.

It's not a joke. James Anderson also has a restraining order against him from his second ex-wife. The best is he's still the primary suspect in the miser of a Sesttle assistant DA. No joke. Google it. He's also an FFDO. Time to scrap the program.

 

[BEfly]

Application sent!

 

[vetrider]

I've flown with military guys in both seats at AWA. Vietnam F-4 guys. Academy grads, Gulf War A-10 guys, guard F-16 guys you name it. I can only think of one offhand that I didn't care to fly with, the rest were awesome. Most of the tools I've flown with(damn few) were civilian commuter guys like me.

I remember one guy in particular, Jim H, who flew F-4s in Vietnam. Here I was, just a 30 year old commuter guy, and old Jim was a prince. Treated me and everyone else like gold.

The letter writer is not worth paying any attention to. He stands out on his own, just like he would on any property.

 

[Flyer1015]

Blah blah blah blah.

Fact:

US Airways twice bankrupt would have been GONE had it not merged AWA.

AWA saved US Airways and they are now where they are today with AA because of AWA. This is an overly arrogant letter. Nowhere does he talk about integrity. If was a judge, I'd question him: Why didn't you accept a binding arbitration award when you agreed to binding arbitration in the first place?

And his talk about AWA pilots never in their dreams could have flown as international widebody CAs to Europe making $200k? No offense but Piedmont was mostly 727s and 737s with a couple 767s to LGW that started in 1987 just two years before the merger. Piedmont stand-alone would not have permitted him to do what he is claiming either.

 

[flyboyike]

What's particularly disappointing about this mindset is that somewhere along the line rather than being the absolute best you can be it became more important to be better than others, whoever they are.

 

[dollacrackho]

I'm not a usapa cheerleader but come on flyer your statements make you look as silly as the letter writer. Us air was going down the tubes yes but to view awa as a savior is nonsense. Where was awa going? You guys were a nice little regional airline in the southwest. You both needed each other. You were both going nowhere fast.

 

[Bringupthebird]

AWA's future stand alone was no less bright than JetBlue or Alaska.

 

[Bringupthebird]

And his talk about AWA pilots never in their dreams could have flown as international widebody CAs to Europe making $200k?

You mean because they flew 747s across the Pacific? There are US east pilots who probably couldn't even get a 747 started (as proven by their own CA that threw a fit when she couldn't start an APU and had to be escorted from the terminal by airport security)

http://www.thestreet.com/story/1119...?puc=outbrain&cm_ven=outbrain&obref=obnetwork

Yep, "Best of the best"

 

[Metrojet]

What's particularly disappointing about this mindset is that somewhere along the line rather than being the absolute best you can be it became more important to be better than others, whoever they are.

This thread should end with flyboyike' s comments. Well said

Metrojet

 

[Dornier 335]

You mean because they flew 747s across the Pacific? There are US east pilots who probably couldn't even get a 747 started (as proven by their own CA that threw a fit when she couldn't start an APU and had to be escorted from the terminal by airport security)

http://www.thestreet.com/story/1119...?puc=outbrain&cm_ven=outbrain&obref=obnetwork

Yep, "Best of the best"

Not defending/accusing anyone here, but do you know the entire story, or do you simply copy and paste news stories on this board, just to satisfy your anger? I still remember how you accused an east crew of letting a fake pilot ride the jumpseat without knowing the entire details (which were btw distributed by USAPA's propaganda blast mail). I assume you have been in this business long enough to know that there are usually two sides to a story, and that there is a ~10% of oddballs (or whatever you wanna call it) of any group. (Count me in if you want!)

Guilty by association! Sweet!! Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[Dornier 335]

What's particularly disappointing about this mindset is that somewhere along the line rather than being the absolute best you can be it became more important to be better than others, whoever they are.

Nothing new, I am afraid:

"There is also more than a hint of professional snobbery among the men of every line, each convinced that the methods, techniques, and demands of the other airlines must be somewhat inferior to his own."

Ernest K. Gann, "Fate is the Hunter", 1961, describing "the atmosphere of air transport flying during the 1930s".

 

[acpilot]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but the good Capt A isn't fit to sit right seat in an Key Lime Navajo.

He demands respect and has a ridiculous sense of entitlement but I can GUARANTEE that this ace of aces wouldn't last a day in the lowly world of pt135 box hauling; a job that is no doubt beneath him anyway.

This guy is a joke. If he lost his medical or USAir wasn't rescued, what would this clown have been qualified to do?

If USAir was saved by a bunch of underlings that could only hack it at a bush league airline, what does that say about the good Capt A and his clean cut, high flying band of merry wingmen?

I'm sure he's an extreme case, but good lord...

 

[Flyer1015]

I'm not a usapa cheerleader but come on flyer your statements make you look as silly as the letter writer. Us air was going down the tubes yes but to view awa as a savior is nonsense. Where was awa going? You guys were a nice little regional airline in the southwest. You both needed each other. You were both going nowhere fast.

AWA wasn't in nearly as much troble as US Airways was. Airways was on the verge of liquidation. AWA's future was no different or brighter than JetBlue/Alaska. AWA would have found someone else to merge with and still be okay.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I can imagine how this letter got written

Capt. - Hey James, don't you think you should wait until we get out of 10,000 to break out the laptop. or at least until the flaps are up/

Anderson - I'm writing Judge Silver a letter telling her how we deserve to be put ahead of all the west pilots on the basis of our professionalism

Capt. - That's great but the tower is calling saying they saw sparks from the tail as we rotated.

Anderson - Hell, they said that when we landed! They must hate these A321's!

Capt. - Yeah, James, you make a pretty convincing argument. I guess we are the best of the best. Oh, damn, we were supposed to cross XXXXX at 12 and 250!!