United Start Pay and Bases

[fastflyyer]

Does anyone know what the starting pay is at United as well as the junior bases and schedule?

Thanks

 

[fletch717]

Airline pilot central dot com, will answer all your questions

 

[Twotter Driver]

For pay reference airlinepilotcentral.com
Anticipated domiciles and equipment to be awarded out of training
757/767-NYC
737-NYC, IAH, SFO, ORD
A320-IAH, IAD, NYC

 

[Stugatz78]

Is Guam voluntary?

 

[densoo]

Is Guam voluntary?

No, but if they have positions for that class there are usually enough volunteers as you can make some good money there. A new hire can go from off the street to $97.25/hr + $3000/mo in six weeks.

"At his option, a Pilot assigned to Guam who is in his first year of employment shall receive an eighteen (18) month Base freeze and be paid using the second-year pay rate (in Status), or no Base freeze and be paid using the first-year pay rate."

"Pilots staffed to flying positions in the Guam Base shall receive, in addition to all other compensation, a Foreign Base Allowance in the amount of $3,000 per month for each month of Active Service."

"Pilots transferring or assigned to the Guam Base shall be entitled to a paid move to Guam, provided they remain in Guam for a minimum of eighteen (18) months of Active Service....A Pilot who received a paid move to Guam and has provided thirty-six (36) months of Active Service on Guam shall be entitled to a paid move from Guam."

 

[JetFumes]

SFO.................really?

 

[densoo]

First year 66.10
Second year 97.25

 

[Twotter Driver]

SFO.................really?

Yes. Will likely be filled by new hires in the near future.

 

[145BOSS]

Based on the Vacancy Bid results that were posted yesterday and to be filled/trained by January 31st for the February bid month, the I filled vacancies are as listed:

JFK 320 FO - 13 unfilled
ORD 320 FO - 20
IAH 320 FO - 9
DCA 320 FO - 8
EWR 737 FO - 10
JFK 767 FO - 12

Vacancies bids are replacing the old System Bids and are issued monthly.

First year pay is $60.92/hr, increasing to $66.10/hr January 1st. Second year pay is $101.47 for most narrowbodies in 2014.

 

[Andy]

The latest class isn't a great reflection of what to expect, but the class of 12 all got 737 EWR. Their nickname is 'the Sewark 12'. That's a one-off IMHO; most classes have been 737 EWR and IAH (a few 756 EWR) and everyone who wants to go to GUM, as long as they talk to someone on day one, will usually get that. What happened in my class is two IAH 737 slots were converted to GUM slots.

GUM - not voluntary, but if as long as some newhires raise their hand and volunteer, there shouldn't be invol GUM slots. The base isn't big enough (and there's not enough FO movement out of there) to force invols into the base.

145BOSS posted unfilled vacancies from the latest bid. Those should end up going to newhires. However, there's an issue of LUAL furloughees and seat locks. Some of us want to bid off of the guppy and over to fifi; I don't know of anyone who was able to. I have a standing bid for fifi out of LAX and my 24 month guppy seat lock ends in a few months.
We could get into a debate over different aircraft, but I much prefer fifi over the guppy.

For any newhire, I highly recommend avoiding the 756, as you'll be on reserve forever. And reserve sucks. Stick with 737 or A320 and wait until you can hold a bigger aircraft off of reserve.

It's going to take a while for everything to shake out, but the bases that I'd expect going junior in the future are:
EWR - Sewark by a mile. Toss NYC into the mix, as that will all be the same.
IAH and SFO behind EWR
ORD - it may be senior for a little while but once the hiring machine gets in full gear, ORD will become easier to get

The hardest bases to get:
SEA - I think every FO there could be in the left seat anywhere else
DEN - There have been some newhire classes with DEN in the past but there weren't many.
CLE - Small base; most pilots seem happy to stay there

Middle of the road
LAX, IAD


For any newhire that desires to go to somewhere like DEN or CLE, I'd recommend bidding guppy. Add A320 for DEN. That way you should be able to get a lateral to that base.
Don't take a 756 if you're thinking about taking a lateral. You'll probably be stuck at that base for your entire 24 month seatlock. On reserve.

Hope this helps; please remember that things can change on a moment's notice so this information will probably be out of date as soon as I hit send.

 

[Stugatz78]

Great info, thanks!! So there's an initial equip lock of 24 months?

 

[Andy]

Great info, thanks!! So there's an initial equip lock of 24 months?

Sorry, I should have clarified. 24 month seatlock for lateral purposes ... going from guppy to fifi and vice versa. Or going from 777 to 787 to 747. In same seat.
You can upgrade to left seat and/or upgrade to higher paying equipment prior to 24 months (seat lock doesn't apply for upward movement).

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Well since 21% of CAL pilots were stapled below every single UAL pilot with a job I think it's safe to say EWR and IAH will be junior for a while. And forget EWR 756 as the most junior pilot who got in on this bid will be 14% on the base bid list. How ironic, senior UAL folks bailing from paradise to fly our jumbos while due to their overstaffing we are effectively fenced off from theirs. Fair and equitable my a$$

 

[nimtz]

Well since 21% of CAL pilots were stapled below every single UAL pilot with a job I think it's safe to say EWR and IAH will be junior for a while. And forget EWR 756 as the most junior pilot who got in on this bid will be 14% on the base bid list. How ironic, senior UAL folks bailing from paradise to fly our jumbos while due to their overstaffing we are effectively fenced off from theirs. Fair and equitable my a$$

Aww poor baby. Really I'm listening to you and caring, really. I'm senior to a guy hired in '98 that gave me a Piper Arrow checkout. Fair and equitable my a$$.

 

[Andy]

Aww poor baby. Really I'm listening to you and caring, really. I'm senior to a guy hired in '98 that gave me a Piper Arrow checkout. Fair and equitable my a$$.

Thank you, Nimtz.
I was dovetailed between two CAL furloughees with barely more than a year longevity in Oct 10, while I had more than 5 years longevity at UAL in Oct 10.

It's done. I could whine about where I was placed but I'm looking forward and moving on. Anyone still whining about the SLI is a gnat's a$$ above a scab.

 

[Shrek]

Thank you, Nimtz.
I was dovetailed between two CAL furloughees with barely more than a year longevity in Oct 10, while I had more than 5 years longevity at UAL in Oct 10.

It's done. I could whine about where I was placed but I'm looking forward and moving on. Anyone still whining about the SLI is a gnat's a$$ above a scab.

Bump.

Time for licking wounds are over boys - suck it up. Unless of course you are happily teamed up with a large group of SCABS that are trying to raise 30K for a retainer. In that case please devote every single extra penny of your paycheck to that cause but make sure when it fails to bury the BS and move on.

 

[pianoman]

Andy- I agree with your assessment (Ewr 737 FO L-CAL). Think eventually the A320 and 737 will even out or will inertia keep the Bus senior? I'd like to hop over there but don't want to go from 30% in seat to reserve.

 

[Andy]

Andy- I agree with your assessment (Ewr 737 FO L-CAL). Think eventually the A320 and 737 will even out or will inertia keep the Bus senior? I'd like to hop over there but don't want to go from 30% in seat to reserve.

There are a lot of retirements coming up, more on the LUAL side than the LCAL side. I would expect to see quite a bit of movement off of the A320FO seat but if I were you, I probably wouldn't make the jump until I was able to hold a line on the A320. It probably won't be that long for you.
I would expect that A320/737 will be fairly even in terms of seniority. There are a lot of pilots who would never fly anything but a Boeing. I think that's mostly due to never flying an Airbus.
If I'm able to get an A320 out of LAX (from 737 LAX) in the next 6 months, I'll go from near bottom lineholder to reserve. To me, it's worth it because it's so much more enjoyable of a plane to fly.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Reserve sucks today. When all new CBA provisions turn on joint CMS (around first of year) reserve will be much better. With everyone starting out on long call 13 hours to push. A true FIFO system (so those junior will not get extra flying due to not always being top if call out list- much fairer system then currently). I'm told the average conversion from long to short call at LUAL is two to three times per month. While reserve will always not be any where as good as a line holder the improvements in QOL under the JCBA on reserve (when fully implemented) will be much better. Something to consider if you bid EWR 756 FO especially since most of the flying is to Europe.

Just my two cents. Welcome to all new hires look forward to flying with you.

 

[densoo]

Reserve sucks today. When all new CBA provisions turn on joint CMS (around first of year) reserve will be much better. With everyone starting out on long call 13 hours to push. A true FIFO system (so those junior will not get extra flying due to not always being top if call out list- much fairer system then currently). I'm told the average conversion from long to short call at LUAL is two to three times per month. While reserve will always not be any where as good as a line holder the improvements in QOL under the JCBA on reserve (when fully implemented) will be much better. Something to consider if you bid EWR 756 FO especially since most of the flying is to Europe.

Just my two cents. Welcome to all new hires look forward to flying with you.

I agree that it will be much improved. I don't think short-call conversions will remain low. Up until now the great majority of reserve is already short-call via award. Only 10 to 20% has been long call (the cap on long-call awards was lifted this month, but that's a separate issue). So long to short-call conversions are fairly low. I expect when all reserves are long call they will be converting a significant percentage to short-call every day. They'll have to cover all the departure blocks with short-call reserves.