DL and Virgin

[BEfly]

http://atwonline.com/regulation/dot-tentatively-approves-delta-virgin-transatlantic-tie


Delta Air Lines and Virgin Atlantic Airways have received US Dept. of Transportation (DOT) backing for their planned transatlantic joint venture (JV).

The deal, which was announced *****Dec. 11, 2012, had already been cleared by the US Dept. of Justice***** and the European Commission. However, DOT has the final say on whether the proposed transatlantic JV gains antitrust immunity, similar to that enjoyed by American Airlines, British Airways and Iberia.

“We tentatively conclude that, overall, the alliance will be pro-competitive,” DOT said in a regulatory filing. The investigation revealed no route overlap between the two airlines and concluded that the deal will strengthen US-Europe and US-UK inter-alliance competition.

Delta and Virgin also “made a strong showing” of public benefits from the deal, including the potential for strengthened schedules on their network. “We tentatively conclude that antitrust immunity is necessary to achieve most of these important benefits,” DOT said. “We tentatively conclude that the potential benefits of the application outweigh any potential harm.”

There is a 14-day period for comments.

Delta and Virgin plan to coordinate on network planning, revenue management, pricing, sales and other functions through the metal-neutral transatlantic JV, which will include revenue and profit sharing.

Delta is already a member of SkyTeam’s transatlantic JV; the two JVs will be managed separately.

 

[General Lee]

The primary reason DL bought into Virgin (49% share from Singapore Airlines for half of their original purchase price) was to mount an attack against the AA/BA alliance on the NYC to LHR route. AA and BA together have 11-12 daily flights, and DL could only get 3 or 4 daily flights on the route. Now, with VA, The combo has 9-10 flights a day, which means the JV can compete for lucrative business contracts between these two very large cities and business centers.

Btw, Dalpa has not signed off on this JV, and looking at the AF/KL/AZ JV and how the DL pilots are short on the required number of transatlantic flights spelled out in the original agreement, (they have until next May to comply, so everyone is still watching) it will be very interesting to see how it plays out. Pressure is on for Dalpa, especially since the in house union, the DPA, is waiting for an opportunity to get a new vote, and DL pilots are looking for better terms and for compliance on the first one.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

I thought you were headed to Europe for a wonderful trip. Are you there now? An amazing amount of post in a very short time.

 

[Flyer1015]

I thought you were headed to Europe for a wonderful trip. Are you there now? An amazing amount of post in a very short time.

He is. In a Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 Boeing 777. Dual monitors allow him to fly to Europe and post online at the same time.

 

[General Lee]

I thought you were headed to Europe for a wonderful trip. Are you there now? An amazing amount of post in a very short time.

I said THIS WEEK, and I am senior enough to hold a holiday off. The amazing thing you haven't figured out though is via new technology, you can actually use a smart phone IN EUROPE..... Wow! Maybe your reception is bad in Amarillo, but each hotel in Europe either has wifi in your room, or a crew room that has it.

But, worry not Red, my 3 day Europe trip is coming, I can't wait. Enjoy Harlingen!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

He is. In a Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 Boeing 777. Dual monitors allow him to fly to Europe and post online at the same time.

In your shoes, I'd be flying more, that infant of yours needs more 529 money for college, and if your airline somehow survives the next decade, you probably still won't be able to afford it on your own. Pick up more trips....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Typical Jenny Leigh.....putz.

 

[General Lee]

Typical Jenny Leigh.....putz.

Freeturd, still not contributing anything. Dahni is upset.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

I said THIS WEEK, and I am senior enough to hold a holiday off. The amazing thing you haven't figured out though is via new technology, you can actually use a smart phone IN EUROPE..... Wow! Maybe your reception is bad in Amarillo, but each hotel in Europe either has wifi in your room, or a crew room that has it.

But, worry not Red, my 3 day Europe trip is coming, I can't wait. Enjoy Harlingen!


Bye Bye---General Lee

I realize you can use a smartphone in Europe, but why would you? This is were your persona falls apart. Aren't you supposed to be out having dinner in a fine French resturant and checking out the Louvre? Maybe that virtual tour on the computer works for you.

Enjoy Dakar d-bag, meanwhile I'll be at home after being gone.....all of 2 days..haha.

 

[General Lee]

I realize you can use a smartphone in Europe, but why would you? This is were your persona falls apart. Aren't you supposed to be out having dinner in a fine French resturant and checking out the Louvre? Maybe that virtual tour on the computer works for you.

Enjoy Dakar d-bag, meanwhile I'll be at home after being gone.....all of 2 days..haha.

Ahahahaha! Dakar is only from the NYC base, not ATL. You guys ALL can go to LBB and MAF, and only you Red get sick from the quesadilla at the hotel bar in LBB......(we all heard)

And, people don't call people from Europe? ( you use Skype). Is it too far for someone like you to call back to the US? If you are calling, can't you use the wifi to look at something you enjoy? (FI). Sure you could Red, but you never will. Nah, you LUV the Texas Shuffle too much. Enjoy it Red. 2 days, 12 legs. That would absolutely stink.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Ahahahaha! Dakar is only from the NYC base, not ATL. You guys ALL can go to LBB and MAF, and only you Red get sick from the quesadilla at the hotel bar in LBB......(we all heard)

And, people don't call people from Europe? ( you use Skype). Is it too far for someone like you to call back to the US? If you are calling, can't you use the wifi to look at something you enjoy? (FI). Sure you could Red, but you never will. Nah, you LUV the Texas Shuffle too much. Enjoy it Red. 2 days, 12 legs. That would absolutely stink.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

General,

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm usually home more than I would ever need Skype. I haven't been to LLB or MAF for years...so yet again, you have no idea what your talking about. I usually do 2-3 legs a day...transcon (get that through your thick skull) and then I'm home after only being gone for around two and a half days. Not out flying 4 day trips like you do for a crap credit of 18. You guys really need to increase your pay or rigs......something, because that blows. Need me to look at those low credit lines again just for an update? I'd be glad too..

Our MIN 3 day pays 19.5 (4 day is 26....and that min General). I usually fly 12.5 block and get the rig of 19.5. Talk about easy. You guys still doing those Asian 6 day trips? The ones where you deadhead over and are gone for more than a week, then deadhead back? That's sounds like a miserable schedule. You know it is, admit it.

How's that 26 Billion dollar debt? Maybe you could squeeze a little more out of the regional carriers. You'd sign up for that in a heartbeat if you got another 1% raise. 20% of DL's profit from them, while they get the shaft. You feel good about that.....sure you do. Enjoy your constant and never ending outsourcing. I heard there's another JV right around the corner. Yet again, no growth...ouch.

 

[General Lee]

General,

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm usually home more than I would ever need Skype. I haven't been to LLB or MAF for years...so yet again, you have no idea what your talking about. I usually do 2-3 legs a day...transcon (get that through your thick skull) and then I'm home after only being gone for around two and a half days. Not out flying 4 day trips like you do for a crap credit of 18. You guys really need to increase your pay or rigs......something, because that blows. Need me to look at those low credit lines again just for an update? I'd be glad too..

Our MIN 3 day pays 19.5 (4 day is 26....and that min General). I usually fly 12.5 block and get the rig of 19.5. Talk about easy. You guys still doing those Asian 6 day trips? The ones where you deadhead over and are gone for more than a week, then deadhead back? That's sounds like a miserable schedule. You know it is, admit it.

How's that 26 Billion dollar debt? Maybe you could squeeze a little more out of the regional carriers. You'd sign up for that in a heartbeat if you got another 1% raise. 20% of DL's profit from them, while they get the shaft. You feel good about that.....sure you do. Enjoy your constant and never ending outsourcing. I heard there's another JV right around the corner. Yet again, no growth...ouch.

Yeah, sure you don't go to West Texas towns, riiiight! Why are you scared to admit that? So defensive! Look at your name--SOUTHWEST.... Why...so...serious? You need to look at your origins Red, you are blasphemous.


And your min is 19.5 on a 3 day? That's great. Almost all of the 3 day Europe trips from ATL are worth over 20 hours. You lose. Throw in very productive 6 day Europe trips worth up to 40 hours, and you can't compete. I used to do ATL to Rome, to JFK, to Rome and back to ATL, and they were worth, wait for it, 40 hours. In 6 days. Your domestic rules limit you to 30 in 7. You lose.

And $26 million in debt? Here you go again. When you don't know what to say, you go for the debt... Which is being shrunk at a very fast rate. Down $9 billion in 4 years. At that rate and the increase of yearly profit, the debt and pension deficit will be erased in a decade or sooner. $500 million profit in July, Red. That is more than 3 quarters at your airline. That must make you wince!

Goodnight Red, you lost.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flyer1015]

Feel better now, GL?

 

[Flyer1015]

In your shoes, I'd be flying more, that infant of yours needs more 529 money for college, and if your airline somehow survives the next decade, you probably still won't be able to afford it on your own. Pick up more trips....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Speaking of picking up more trips, I heard from one DPA guy that so many Delta pilots were picking up green slip trips that it was hindering recalls for the furloughed Delta pilots. Yikes. I thought you guys were paid pretty good. Why are people bending over backwards for green slips just because it pays more?

My infant has a pretty good start in the 529, and unlike you, I have a non-flying business on the side. It's not brining in a whole lot but it's still in the infancy stage and at some point it should bring in a decent amount depending on how much work I put into it. It's a nice supplement, and as they say, always have a backup.

 

[Freebrd]

Freeturd, still not contributing anything. Dahni is upset.Bye Bye---General Lee

Haha looks who talking, as if you ever contribute anything worthwhile. Same old tired worn responses putz. Attack SWA and the Regionals, brillant. Enjoy your "sundae".

 

[Scoot 11]

I realize you can use a smartphone in Europe, but why would you? This is were your persona falls apart. Aren't you supposed to be out having dinner in a fine French resturant and checking out the Louvre? Maybe that virtual tour on the computer works for you.

Enjoy Dakar d-bag, meanwhile I'll be at home after being gone.....all of 2 days..haha.

Ok, stop right there! Dakar isn't that bad! Especially if you're a surfer!
But I agree with you, most people that fly europe (or any international) aren't jerking off on this forum like the genital, which just proves my point that the kid is a phony!

 

[johnsonrod]

Another LAME debate....

WTF does this have do with Virgin Atlantic????

Honestly, FI is getting worse and worse by the day. WTF cares if you fly to Accra or Spokane? Some people must love the drama - but I bet most people are annoyed by it. What I care about is how pilot jobs are impacted by these types of strategic moves - not about what kind of ZINGERS Bubba and GL can throw at each other to prove their worth. It gets old REAL quick...

How about we get back on track and discuss the topic at hand? How will Virgin's flights impact Delta's participation on these vital routes? How will Virgin's new 787-900s be used in conjunction with Delta's fleet? It is probably too much to try to steer the discussion back to the original topic.

 

[weasel_lips]

He lives in his mom's basement and she feeds him mini pizzas!

 

[redflyer65]

And your min is 19.5 on a 3 day? That's great. Almost all of the 3 day Europe trips from ATL are worth over 20 hours. You lose. Throw in very productive 6 day Europe trips

General,


You are an airline pilot right? You understand a Rig right?

You missed the point that I fly 12-13hrs and get paid a Rig of 19.5. That's the minimum three day rig. You guys can't even touch that productivity. Prove me wrong.

The second part of your post is hilarious. A 6 day Europe trip? That sounds miserable. You can have it. I'd rather be home in 2 days, so I think in the end you lose for not making top coin while your gone...and sometimes being gone for 6-7 days. That sucks brother. Glad you like it though.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Speaking of picking up more trips, I heard from one DPA guy that so many Delta pilots were picking up green slip trips that it was hindering recalls for the furloughed Delta pilots. Yikes. I thought you guys were paid pretty good. Why are people bending over backwards for green slips just because it pays more?

My infant has a pretty good start in the 529, and unlike you, I have a non-flying business on the side. It's not brining in a whole lot but it's still in the infancy stage and at some point it should bring in a decent amount depending on how much work I put into it. It's a nice supplement, and as they say, always have a backup.

Your first mistake was listening to a DPA guy.

Second, do a fact-check. All furloughed were offered a return all through the years of 07 and 08 when we were hiring so nobody was out against their will.

I have found over the years that anybody who brags to other pilots about how great their second job is....it really isn't because they would be gone from the airline in a heartbeat if it was so much better. I live within my means and don't have to sweat out two jobs or because I have a (insert reason here) to pay for.