UAL Senority List 8-30-13

[Ex737Driver]

This week is supposed end with the announcement from ALPA. As long as the panel is finished, which by all accounts and emails they are, the merger committees for both sides should have the results in their hands sometime Thursday night and I'm speculating release after 5 PM on Friday the 30th with a long 4 day weekend to stew.

To see where you stand, one proposal to the other or from one end of the spectrum to the other, go to

http://reunionlane.com/united_seniority/

and put in your employee number. To see the UAL proposal if you are a CAL pilot, you have to put in a 0 in front of your number.

For me, the difference between the two proposals are 2612 numbers. Quite a large spread between the two. I think most of us are hoping for something in the middle as both proposals shoot for the moon.

 

[Andy]

I don't know the source of that information, but it's not correct. I was hired in 2000 at LUAL. LCAL's proposal stapled me to the bottom of the list. Twice; once with my LUAL number and once with my LCAL number. (I'm not upset; I found it humorous).
The LUAL proposal put around 60 LCAL pilots below me.

I used my LUAL number in both models and the LCAL proposal has me 180 numbers above the LUAL proposal. So the two models aren't using the same data; it appears that the LUAL model has 250 additional pilots on their list.

I also tried to use my LCAL number, N7xxx. I tried multiple combinations - 007xxx, 0n7xxx, n07xxx. No luck using any of those methods.

Bottom line: this is looking like garbage in, garbage out. The two proposed lists have different numbers of pilots on them. My uninformed guess is that there are about 250 more pilots above me on the LUAL proposed combined list than on the LCAL proposed combined list.
Don't get too stressed out about the difference in numbers that each proposal cranks out.

All the best to everyone; the arbs have already made the combined list and it's time to move forward.

 

[ForgedBlade]

Then there is this...

http://deltapilotsassociation.org/u...temporary-restraining-order-against-alpa.html

 

[Andy]

Then there is this...

http://deltapilotsassociation.org/u...temporary-restraining-order-against-alpa.html

Yep, that's what I'm talking about. This action was not sanctioned by the UAL MEC; it's a few LUAL pilots who have filed the lawsuit. I'm sure that there will be some lawsuits filed by both sides before the dust settles.

 

[chppr5]

This week is supposed end with the announcement from ALPA. As long as the panel is finished, which by all accounts and emails they are, the merger committees for both sides should have the results in their hands sometime Thursday night and I'm speculating release after 5 PM on Friday the 30th with a long 4 day weekend to stew.

To see where you stand, one proposal to the other or from one end of the spectrum to the other, go to

http://reunionlane.com/united_seniority/

and put in your employee number. To see the UAL proposal if you are a CAL pilot, you have to put in a 0 in front of your number.

For me, the difference between the two proposals are 2612 numbers. Quite a large spread between the two. I think most of us are hoping for something in the middle as both proposals shoot for the moon.

BOTH proposals shoot for the moon???? YGTBFKM... Is this Jabba??

 

[list2002]

Yeah, I'm sure not hoping for something in the middle of what I've seen.

 

[Andy]

BOTH proposals shoot for the moon???? YGTBFKM... Is this Jabba??

Yeah, I'm sure not hoping for something in the middle of what I've seen.

In my case, the difference is about 60 numbers between the two proposed lists. The arbitrators could adopt either list and it won't change much for me.

 

[list2002]

That's good, or bad, I guess. Mine is just shy of 2700 numbers different. Out of my hands.

 

[General Lee]

Just remember, the only guy that won't be even a little bit pi$$ed will be the number 1 guy. But, the arbitrators will have an explanation to their ruling, so you can try to understand it. And, instead of being mad at each other or mad at management, you can be mad at someone outside your workplace, the arbitrators. That is why it is good. And you always have something to talk about in the cockpit, "how I got screwed in the merger...."


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[LearLove]

And if you don't like the results you can just toss ALPA and start your own union. It will work out just fine.

 

[General Lee]

And if you don't like the results you can just toss ALPA and start your own union. It will work out just fine.

No, no it won't Lear. A binding award will eventually catch up to you, and I hope you personally pay up big time. Make sure you tell your new Westie Capt that you think he is part of the "Sand People." That will go over great. Three walk arounds each leg for you! Fun!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[nimtz]

Chris Gullikson. What a dbag. Let the record show that a UAL guy sued first. Well actually lawyered up before the list even came out...

 

[chppr5]

Chris Gullikson. What a dbag. Let the record show that a UAL guy sued first. Well actually lawyered up before the list even came out...

Why don't you read the complaint. It has to do with the SFO 737 bid not the ISL.

 

[LearLove]

No, no it won't Lear. A binding award will eventually catch up to you, and I hope you personally pay up big time. Make sure you tell your new Westie Capt that you think he is part of the "Sand People." That will go over great. Three walk arounds each leg for you! Fun!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Swallowed it hook, line and sinker...

 

[Dornier 335]

Well done Lear! You beat me to it!

 

[nfkealey]

Motion...denied.

 

[Ex737Driver]

09-03-2013 SLI Release ????

.......

We were advised by the arbitration panel today that they will not be completed with the Integrated Seniority List (ISL) this week and are instead anticipating their award on Tuesday, Sept. 3. This was not unanticipated, as the original timeline, and the current one, are only estimates. Plans for a special meeting of the CAL MEC remain in place, and the date will be adjusted as necessary to accommodate the issuance of the award.

As for today’s hearing regarding a group of L-UAL pilots’ request for a temporary restraining order (TRO) against the release of the ISL that was filed in U.S. District Court, the judge stated that the request did not meet any of the criteria for granting relief and the request for a TRO was denied in its entirety. Thus, the issuance of the award and list will not be delayed as a result of the request.

We will continue to keep you informed.

Capt. Jay Pierce
CAL MEC Chairman

 

[aeolian]

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Seat/equipment ratio are the norms....Ask for what you want but....arbitrators award you enough seniority to "be what you are"....

Take it, run, be happy....or risk riding the usapa train, a journey who's destination remains murky....if the costs of it all are not

 

[eaglesview]

List to be finished Sept 3rd.

 

[nimtz]

List to be finished Sept 3rd.

Didn't ALPA tell us with this POS contract the ISL was expected in May? Ah well, at least with the 10 year yield spiking since May some one is getting paid for our "lump sum"! BTW, Capital Grill End of Summer Happy Hour tonight baby! Don't sweat it, Grand Admiral Moak will be out of the office by noon on Friday!