Eagle shoots down B scale

[Nevets]

I hold out hope that we'll get a TA with meaningful improvements soon. If anythng significant is moved backwards, it's a NO vote from me.

A TA with meaningful improvements to the ASA contract or the XJT contract?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

A TA with meaningful improvements to the ASA contract or the XJT contract?

To the ASA contract. I have never worked under your agreement so I'll refrain from making assumptions. If your group feels that a TA doesn't meet your needs, vote NO. Your MEC should be negotiating on your behalf, so don't bitch and moan about ASA pilots bringing you down if they bring you a substandard TA.....you can always vote NO.

 

[Nevets]

To the ASA contract. I have never worked under your agreement so I'll refrain from making assumptions. If your group feels that a TA doesn't meet your needs, vote NO. Your MEC should be negotiating on your behalf, so don't bitch and moan about ASA pilots bringing you down if they bring you a substandard TA.....you can always vote NO.

My only point is that my possible substandard TA would be a concession to the XJT contract but a windfall for the ASA contract. If I was an ASA pilot, I wouldn't vote to give 2/3 of the pilots concessions. That's what you would be doing in this scenario, YOU voting for concessions for an overwhelming majority of the pilots who would be working under this contract. It couldn't be seen as anything other than a concessionary contract.

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

How about you vote for what is best for you. If it sucks for 2/3 of the pilots then it will get voted down. Why are you worried about how someone else votes? They can vote however they want. Especially if its no! Lol

 

[Clutch]

My only point is that my possible substandard TA would be a concession to the XJT contract but a windfall for the ASA contract. If I was an ASA pilot, I wouldn't vote to give 2/3 of the pilots concessions. That's what you would be doing in this scenario, YOU voting for concessions for an overwhelming majority of the pilots who would be working under this contract. It couldn't be seen as anything other than a concessionary contract.

Oh, so now we're supposed to pretend to care about each others' respective group.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

My only point is that my possible substandard TA would be a concession to the XJT contract but a windfall for the ASA contract. If I was an ASA pilot, I wouldn't vote to give 2/3 of the pilots concessions. That's what you would be doing in this scenario, YOU voting for concessions for an overwhelming majority of the pilots who would be working under this contract. It couldn't be seen as anything other than a concessionary contract.

"Windfall" is a heck of a stretch... Just sayin

 

[Thebadcat1313]

To the ASA contract. I have never worked under your agreement so I'll refrain from making assumptions. If your group feels that a TA doesn't meet your needs, vote NO. Your MEC should be negotiating on your behalf, so don't bitch and moan about ASA pilots bringing you down if they bring you a substandard TA.....you can always vote NO.

Couldn't have been stated better. Cheers to you sir!

 

[Nevets]

How about you vote for what is best for you. If it sucks for 2/3 of the pilots then it will get voted down. Why are you worried about how someone else votes? They can vote however they want. Especially if its no! Lol

Because what's best for you isn't necessarily best for the industry if the TA is concessionary. Anyway, I said I would vote no if I was an ASA pilot. I never told anyone how to vote.

Oh, so now we're supposed to pretend to care about each others' respective group.

No, I thought in light if the Eagle MEC decision, we were now talking about following their lead.

"Windfall" is a heck of a stretch... Just sayin

Let me put it this way, if the TA had your PBS and its associated work rules plus the rest of the LXJT contract it would not be a stretch to say that would be a windfall for the ASA pilots.

Couldn't have been stated better. Cheers to you sir!

By the way, the JNC is supposed to be negotiating on both sides behalf at the mutual direction of both MECs. What he said is incorrect.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Because what's best for you isn't necessarily best for the industry if the TA is concessionary. Anyway, I said I would vote no if I was an ASA pilot. I never told anyone how to vote.



No, I thought in light if the Eagle MEC decision, we were now talking about following their lead.



Let me put it this way, if the TA had your PBS and its associated work rules plus the rest of the LXJT contract it would not be a stretch to say that would be a windfall for the ASA pilots.



By the way, the JNC is supposed to be negotiating on both sides behalf at the mutual direction of both MECs. What he said is incorrect.

what he said was Completely correct. If L-XJT had ASA's PBS system, it would be a windfall gain for lxjt. So, go vote your vote. You have as much pull here as I would on the pipe. In fact, I personally feel you do more damage to your pilot group every time you post.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Because what's best for you isn't necessarily best for the industry if the TA is concessionary. Anyway, I said I would vote no if I was an ASA pilot. I never told anyone how to vote.

You're not an ASA pilot. Never was, never will be. But you're telling them you would vote no. Well sir, personally I don't care how you would vote in any scenario. But if you ask me, you contradict yourself in your own sentence.

You've never worked under ASA's contract. So, with all due respect, mind your own business. Go do what you got to do, and I will do the same. Good luck with the whole burn it down theme, I really hope you get a chance to fall on your sword, I really do.