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Not to worry.....I'm sure each and every owner is sitting patiently waiting for this company to get their act together!!!!! Riiiiiiiiiiiight......
 
Appears we have a disgruntled employee in our midst...could be a former employee. Calling in on the hotline with a bogus report is cowardly.

Dumping on your existing, or former, employer is not cool. May bring you a moment of satisfaction, but it in the long run all it does is hurt you and your co-workers.

Pretty childish.
 
gret said:
Appears we have a disgruntled employee in our midst...could be a former employee. Calling in on the hotline with a bogus report is cowardly.

Dumping on your existing, or former, employer is not cool. May bring you a moment of satisfaction, but it in the long run all it does is hurt you and your co-workers.

Pretty childish.
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It's amazing how somethings never change... Instead of blaming people for the facts why not be accountable for your god damn actions before this bull $hit outfit gets someone killed?! So is the FAA childish for there enforcement actions cause it brings VNR down? Or what about the media reporting the news? Someone has to call VNR out on all there mistakes... My guess on the hotline call is a current A&P mechanic that obviously is seeing something out of order. You know what might not be cool? An accident were someone I know gets killed because Avantair's company culture is childish...

http://www.ainonline.com/comment/4176

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...ations/agc300/Reports/Quarters/view/q4-12.pdf
 
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It's amazing how somethings never change... Instead of blaming people for the facts why not be accountable for your god damn actions before this bull $hit outfit gets someone killed?! So is the FAA childish for there enforcement actions cause it brings VNR down? Or what about the media reporting the news? Someone has to call VNR out on all there mistakes... My guess on the hotline call is a current A&P mechanic that obviously is seeing something out of order. You know what might not be cool? An accident were someone I know gets killed because Avantair's company culture is childish...

http://www.ainonline.com/comment/4176

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...ations/agc300/Reports/Quarters/view/q4-12.pdf
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You don't truly believe that your posts, here on FI, will serve to hold anyone at AA accountable, do you?

Let's not kick these guys while they are down. They did, after all, have the balls to stand up for themselves and unionize.

More than can be said of many.
 
Praetorian said:
You don't truly believe that your posts, here on FI, will serve to hold anyone at AA accountable, do you?
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Well, they certainly seem to care what is said on FI that is forsure! With all there management minion on FI trying to control information with propaganda to down play the facts of their financial & MX situation...

Praetorian said:
Let's not kick these guys while they are down. They did, after all, have the balls to stand up for themselves and unionize.

More than can be said of many.
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Only after a four week plus unpaid vacation & an elevator coming off a Piaggio! There is definitely balls in the Avantair pilot group cause they are getting kicked repeatedly... Thank You Sir, can I have another?! This place should have had a union 3 or 4 years ago... Hope the union works out a clause for hazardous duty pay for unsafe working conditions for the pilot group!
 
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Pattern I hope you got paid in cash or cashed the check before leaving......I feel bad for most of the pilot group.....
 
GooseHZ said:
Pattern I hope you got paid in cash or cashed the check before leaving......I feel bad for most of the pilot group.....
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Yeah, we don't move any of our aircraft until money is in the bank! I don't ever like to see fellow pilots put on the streets but hopefully with some hiring going on at the airlines they can find something quickly.
 
We have been picking up alot of extra Avaintair flights over the past week, their customers are not very happy.
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Hey Pattern, can you passs along any of the comments that their customers have been saying ? What has management been telling them ?
 
Avantair is coming unglued it seems

Looks like this time the damage is irreversible
 
Ypres said:
We have been picking up alot of extra Avaintair flights over the past week, their customers are not very happy.
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Hey Pattern, can you passs along any of the comments that their customers have been saying ? What has management been telling them ?
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They have nothing but good things to say about flight crews, however i keep hearing how bad customer service is with constant mx problems and chronically late flights or aircraft not even showing up when they are supposed to.
 
Ypres said:
We have been picking up alot of extra Avaintair flights over the past week, their customers are not very happy
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They should rename the company AvantGround so their customers know what to expect!
 
The most current info is at avantairowners.freeforums.net. One of the posts there says rumor has it that there might be three planes cleared on Thursday to return to flying. The following post says, "Hang in there." A following post says, three planes might be enough to handle the folks who have hung in there.

I am an owner of a 1/16th interest under Avantair' s management. I quit flying with them when they called on a December trip, after the October stand down, and said our flight would be at least four hours late.

"Fool me once, your fault; fool me twice, MY fault."

FAA fined them $500,000 in November in an Order which consolidated around 20 case files FAA had opened.

YPRES: To have a successful Chapter 11 filing, a company needs capable management; I'm not so sure that this situation fulfills this need.
 
hrofcr said:
The most current info is at avantairowners.freeforums.net. One of the posts there says rumor has it that there might be three planes cleared on Thursday to return to flying. The following post says, "Hang in there." A following post says, three planes might be enough to handle the folks who have hung in there.

I am an owner of a 1/16th interest under Avantair' s management. I quit flying with them when they called on a December trip, after the October stand down, and said our flight would be at least four hours late.

"Fool me once, your fault; fool me twice, MY fault."

FAA fined them $500,000 in November in an Order which consolidated around 20 case files FAA had opened.

YPRES: To have a successful Chapter 11 filing, a company needs capable management; I'm not so sure that this situation fulfills this need.
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Next time try Flexjet! :)
 
hrofcr said:
The most current info is at avantairowners.freeforums.net. One of the posts there says rumor has it that there might be three planes cleared on Thursday to return to flying. The following post says, "Hang in there."
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I've been lurking/following that thread. The person who posted "Hang in there" is either a board member or an executive. They were quick to attack any negative posts at first, but lately they have been overwhelmed and unable to defend the companies actions lately. My guess is Clint Allen.
 
Agree. There is no bankruptcy in the fractional world, you sell airplanes, turn a profit or liquidate
 
The big risk with all fractionals is without a management company you own a 1/16th or so interest with many other owners whom you don't know and cant contact and have to decide what is the best way to manage your asset (the plane). It could be a huge mess.
 
I've been a recent lurker (just having found this forum a few weeks ago) and own 1/8 share. Pretty frustrating. Latest word is all flights cancelled through Monday and "possibly" a few planes returning to the air before then. A lot of this has been frustrating but, IMHO, the worst of it has been the lack of communication from management - esp. after many promises to improve communications and the sudden silence after daily updates. This deficiency makes all the others that much worse. I'm rooting for VNR to succeed. Love the plane and have had great service from pilots and Owner Services though shame on management. The staff, customers/owners, and stockholders deserve better. Trust can't be bought or assumed - you have to earn it and management if failing miserably here and, even when (and I certainly hope it's "when" and not "if") things get better, earning my trust back is going to take far longer than it took to lose it.
 
Another customer over from the owners forum.

Private aviation is only worth the money when it saves time whether for business or personal use. For the last eight months flying with Avantair has caused more headaches than flying commercially at a significantly higher price. I have had to charter last minute flights from Citationair, Jetsuite, and XOJet just to salvage business trips and vacations where I couldn't get 4 commercial seats on 12 hour notice. Finally bought a Marquis card just for peace of mind.

The Avantair pilots are extremely professional and are very patient while listening to us bitch. At this point, they are the company's best asset. I feel for them more then anyone else in the organization.
 
justreading said:
Another customer over from the owners forum.

Private aviation is only worth the money when it saves time whether for business or personal use. For the last eight months flying with Avantair has caused more headaches than flying commercially at a significantly higher price. I have had to charter last minute flights from Citationair, Jetsuite, and XOJet just to salvage business trips and vacations where I couldn't get 4 commercial seats on 12 hour notice. Finally bought a Marquis card just for peace of mind.

The Avantair pilots are extremely professional and are very patient while listening to us bitch. At this point, they are the company's best asset. I feel for them more then anyone else in the organization.
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I think it would help the hard working pilot group if you would share these thoughts with the higher ups at Avantair.
 

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