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Delta RFP on 10-20 widebodies maybe coming in next 2-3 years--article

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By Mary Jane Credeur
March 20, 2013 8:54 PM Bloomberg

Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) is considering buying as many as 20 wide-body jets from Airbus SAS or Boeing Co. (BA) with a list value of at least $4.3 billion, people familiar with the matter said.

The order under study is for 10 to 20 Airbus A330s or Boeing 777s, said the people, who declined to be identified because the negotiations are private. Deliveries would start within a few years, one person said. Delta already has both plane types in its fleet.

Purchasing the jets would bridge Delta’s wide-body needs until the end of the decade, when Airbus’s new A350 and Boeing’s 787-10 Dreamliner will have been in service for several years and would have any kinks worked out, one person said. Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson has said repeatedly he prefers buying established models with proven reliability.

Prices for the Airbus and Boeing jets vary according to the planes’ configurations. Airbus lists the A330 at as little as $216.1 million for the -200 model, while the 777-200ER is the cheapest in that family, at $258.8 million. Updated versions cost more, though airlines typically buy at a discount.

Delta signaled earlier this month that it might consider new twin-aisle planes, as President Ed Bastian said at a JPMorgan Chase & Co. conference that the Atlanta-based airline may find “opportunities in the marketplace selectively to add to our wide bodies.”

Bastian said Delta would talk to both Airbus and Boeing. Mary Anne Greczyn, a spokeswoman for Airbus, and Marc Birtel, a spokesman for Boeing, declined to comment on any discussions with Delta.

The 777, Chicago-based Boeing’s largest twin-engine jet, debuted in 1995, a year after the A330. The 777-200ER and A330-200 seat about 270 and 240 people, respectively, and are typically used on long-haul routes. Delta also has held talks with Boeing and Toulouse, France- based Airbus about buying $1 billion or more of new single-aisle jets as the planemakers wind down production of those planes in favor of upgraded versions, people familiar with that matter said in January.

That purchase would involve Airbus A320s or Boeing 737s before those planes’ successors –- the A320neo and 737 Max –- arrive later this decade, the people said.Anderson also has opted for used planes in recent years as the replacements for some of his oldest jets, forgoing the fuel efficiency of newer models while saving money on the purchase price.
Delta became the biggest operator of Boeing’s out-of- production 717 under a May 2012 sublease agreement with Southwest Airlines Co. to take 88 of those single-aisle planes. A month earlier, Delta said it bought seven Boeing MD-90s from Japan Airlines Co.

Delta had 717 jets in its main fleet as of December, 158 of them wide-bodies. Of those, 80 percent are made by Boeing.


To contact the reporter on this story: Mary Jane Credeur in Atlanta



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My prediction: 777-300's to (eventually) replace 747's. We just installed new interiors on the whales so I'm guessing we want at least 5 years out of that investment.
 
My prediction: 777-300's to (eventually) replace 747's. We just installed new interiors on the whales so I'm guessing we want at least 5 years out of that investment.

From Ed Bastian in the article "may find “opportunities in the marketplace selectively to add to our wide bodies” , so I would think it would be EXTRA planes to bridge the time when DL gets 20 or more 787s (after 2020) and maybe some A350s. I think they want more planes to do overflight of NRT possibly, towards cities in China, etc. Just a guess.


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OOOOOOOPS, scratch that.....




Delta sees no need for new widebody order: Bastian





Delta Airlines has no need to begin long-term widebody fleet replacement "any time soon", says its president Ed Bastian.

Speaking to journalists at a press conference in London, he described reports that the airline is studying a purchase of further Airbus A330s and Boeing 777s as "interesting", but said he did not see such an order as "necessary in the near future".

He says Delta's policy of "updating and modernising" its aircraft means it has the youngest widebody fleet among the major US carriers, with an average age of 12 years, and as such it has no "additional needs".
"We made a decision several years ago that we were not going to be growing that widebody fleet," he adds, noting that the airline recently invested around $1 billion on refurbishing its aircraft interiors.

Delta's only unfulfilled widebody order is for 18 Boeing 787-8s plus 50 options. With deliveries scheduled from 2020 onwards, Bastian says this is far enough in the future for the SkyTeam carrier not to have to consider altering its plans.






Oh well, there you have it....


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Hey General I'll let you in on a little secret. Nobody likes that guy who lives to speculate on 'rumors of new order.' Far too many times my analysis of the USA Today has gotten interrupted by the speeches that start with 'just got back from the school house AND' or 'read an article the other day about possible...' Guess what sane people only give two turds when the ink goes to paper.
 
Delta RFP on 10-20 widebodies maybe coming in next 2-3 years--article



They're gonna need a lot more than 10-20 to replace the widebodies retiring due to age 65. :D
 
Hey General I'll let you in on a little secret. Nobody likes that guy who lives to speculate on 'rumors of new order.' Far too many times my analysis of the USA Today has gotten interrupted by the speeches that start with 'just got back from the school house AND' or 'read an article the other day about possible...' Guess what sane people only give two turds when the ink goes to paper.

Hey man, I just posted the original article, and then when I saw the other one disputing the first one, I posted it. I didn't hide anything. Some people may want to know about "possible" orders that could increase hiring someday.


And look what today's (March 21st) Seeking Alpha stated:

Bulletin from today's "Seeking Alpha":

Thursday, March 21, 4:31 AM Boeing and Airbus are reportedly vying for orders from Delta that could be worth up to $6B at list prices. The airline is interested in acquiring 10-20 wide-body Boeing 777 jets or A330 planes for $4.3B, and a similar number of smaller 737s or A320s.


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I thought delta was smart and only purchased used planes

DL has 100 NEW 737-900ERs coming at around 3 per month starting later this year, replacing older 757s, A320s, and a small number of domestic 767-300s. When they get close to the cycle limit, it is SMART to replace them. There have been other reports that DL may be looking for an additional 30-40 new narrowbodies that aren't NEO or MAX versions, as long as the manufacturers also take some old 50 seat RJs as a part of any deal.


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Delta pilots are SELLOUTS- keep preaching that widebody line though

Chase that carrot pilots- it's all about the widebodies-

Heard Skywest is creating a bid for the CRJ 1000 to replace those inefficient -700's

I think I'd rather work for Skywest- hotter FAs and less corny pilots who at least seem to know how to have fun- and hell, give it time and delta's going to give them the domestic op anyway-

(Haven't dug on the arrogant double breasters in a while- so you know- no matter how good the delta job gets- no airline has done more damage to the airline pilot industry than Delta's continual lead in outsourcing-

How are those -900's coming along?
 

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