American hiring this summer yes or no?

[i fly boxes]

American hiring this summer yes or no?
Does anyone have any updates? I know a rumor was saying this summer and it seems like it will take a while to integrate.

 

[Data]

Isn't everything a rumor until it's posted on their site?

 

[aa73]

Possibly by summer, more likely by fall. Nothing official yet. Recall classes are being filled mostly with undefers, leaving small space for true recallees waiting to come back. So while there are only 280 or so pilots left to recall till the end of the list, there are still a lot of deferred folks who are choosing to come back who take up most of the recall classes. In any case, we should be thru the end of the list by late spring at the current rate. Don't forget there are also 200 or so Eagle flow thrus mixed in with the last batch of furloughees who are also in the recall classes.

 

[cbrown1]

Possibly by summer, more likely by fall. Nothing official yet. Recall classes are being filled mostly with undefers, leaving small space for true recallees waiting to come back. So while there are only 280 or so pilots left to recall till the end of the list, there are still a lot of deferred folks who are choosing to come back who take up most of the recall classes. In any case, we should be thru the end of the list by late spring at the current rate. Don't forget there are also 200 or so Eagle flow thrus mixed in with the last batch of furloughees who are also in the recall classes.

What is an "undefer"?

 

[General Lee]

What is an "undefer"?

That's exactly like a "dikfir."



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Starscream]

What is an "undefer"?

Someone that was offered recall in the past, deferred, and now chooses s/he wants to come back.

 

[matchthehatch]

Possibly by summer, more likely by fall. Nothing official yet. Recall classes are being filled mostly with undefers

While that was true of the last class, I believe that the April 17th class consisted of only 3 undefers. The calculator will prove interesting.

 

[get2flyin]

Highly unlikely.

 

[Flybywire44]

American hiring this summer yes or no?
Does anyone have any updates? I know a rumor was saying this summer and it seems like it will take a while to integrate.

Why is American recalling now? Is it bringing back pilots to cover short staffing, retirements (58 in 2013) and/or growth?

What is the net demand of the airline and can all un-defers, recalls and flow-thrus meet the demand for staffing? How many un-defers, recalls and flow-thrus remain?

What do we know?

• The 2014 rest rules are approaching and will increase pilot staffing by ~5%.
  
• 58 American pilots reach age 65 in 2013. ~253 APA pilots will reach age 65 before SLI integration.
  
• US Airways pilot hiring has repeatedly stated that hiring will continue indefinitely beyond 2013.
  
• The newAmerican MTA gives furlough protection for all pilots on property by POR, which should be submitted August, 2013. There must be some growth occurring for Management to agree to this.
  
• AA training departments are spooling up and expanding for B777, B737 and A319 deliveries. Further expansion will be needed to anticipate for coming retirements.
  
• Scope is being severely relaxed at newAmerican. This may provide feed for domestic and international up-gauging and growth.
  
• POR will bring full code sharing between LCC and AMR for further up-gauging and international growth.
  
• AMR is taking delivery of 777s and has 16 on order thru 2016 or 1 every 86 days (assuming none have been delivered and 1382 days).
  
• AMR is taking delivery of 100 B737s thru 2017 or 1 every 17.5 days (assuming non have been delivered and 1747 days). How much growth is here?
  
• AMR will take deliveries of 130 A319/A321 from July of 2013 thru 2016 or 1 every 12.6 days (assuming 1632 days). How much growth is here?
  
• This is a little far off, but it close enough to mention that AMR will take delivery of 42 787s from November 2014 thru September 2018 or 1 every 34 days (assuming 1429 days).

So will American hire this summer? I think so.

 

[aa73]

New intel from latest recall class/VP Flight prediction: they are about all wrapped up with outside vendors to begin the new hire dept by Oct of this year. Last pilot on furlough list projected to be called by August.

 

[FlyinGuy]

So if someone gets hired off the street by October, how long should should it be until they get furloughed?

 

[OurMoney1]

Can you say TRAINING FLOAT?

 

[nwaf16dude]

An AA friend of mine who has been furloughed for 11.5 years just got his recall notice yesterday, FWIW.

 

[Flybywire44]

So if someone gets hired off the street by October, how long should should it be until they get furloughed?

DAL/NWA & UAL/CAL merged before age 65 and furloughed no one.

However, AMR/USA are merging with age 65 retirements. I don't think you'll see any furloughs at all. There may be a slowdown in hiring with PBS implementation, but a training float and the new rest rules should keep things moving. :beer:

Regardless, newAmerican will lose at least 800 pilots in the next two years, 1200 in the next 3 and 1700 in the next 4 years while growing internationally.

 

[jonjuan]

DAL/NWA & UAL/CAL merged before age 65 and furloughed no one.

However, AMR/USA are merging with age 65 retirements. I don't think you'll see any furloughs at all. There may be a slowdown in hiring with PBS implementation, but a training float and the new rest rules should keep things moving. :beer:

Regardless, newAmerican will lose at least 800 pilots in the next two years, 1200 in the next 3 and 1700 in the next 4 years while growing internationally.

But shrinking domestically. If you think the merger of 1+1 will be much more than 1.5, you've been smoking some good stuff. The merger will only benefit the top dudes with lotsa stock.

 

[bizicmo]

Yes, Eagle is hurting to get pilots now.

 

[PGTB]

Awhile back someone posted that scope was being relaxed? Any details on that? And would that just mean more growth for RAH and the likes and not mainline newAA?

 

[Big Slick]

The last AA furloughee starts class on 5 June.

The last Eagle flow up will go to AA in the 21 August class.

Margin of error = plus or minus a couple of months.

We should be hiring by September-ish.

 

[i fly boxes]

How long do you see both carriers hiring separately? Also, anyone hired after the date of the merger on both sides is date of hire right?

 

[Draginass]

New intel from latest recall class/VP Flight prediction: they are about all wrapped up with outside vendors to begin the new hire dept by Oct of this year. Last pilot on furlough list projected to be called by August.

I believe nothing that the VP Flight says.

 

[aa73]

I believe nothing that the VP Flight says.

OK then, now we have our APA Furlough Committee member who just told the last recall class that AA has started up the pilot hiring department down at the schoolhouse. So either they're both lying or <SHOCK!> there just might be some validity to this.

Some of you conspiracy theorists really blow me away.

 

[Turtle21]

So if someone gets hired off the street by October, how long should should it be until they get furloughed?

September! What do I win?

 

[Flybywire44]

How long do you see both carriers hiring separately? Also, anyone hired after the date of the merger on both sides is date of hire right?

I would think no more than a year after POR. Two departments seems inefficient.

The date of Constructive Notice for the Seniority List Intigration Snapshot is February 14, 2013.

I would expect anyone hired after 2/14/13 to be merged DOH. Furlough protection will be given to those hired at AA or USAir prior to POR in late August or early September.

 

[Dornier 335]

Is AA training pilots already for the A320?

 

[i fly boxes]

Yes they are

 

[aa73]

Is AA training pilots already for the A320?

The first A320 bid awards were just posted yesterday, effective June 1 for an August start date. DFW/320/Domestic. It went amazingly senior given how screwed up the initial training will be: For some strange reason, they will train them on the Bus in June, then release them back to their previous bid status for a month via a quick recurrent, then after a month, re-train them on the Bus via another quick recurrent. Ugh!

Bottom CA seniority was around 2900, bottom FO seniority around 6200.

This was only 9 CAs and FOs... it will go up to 20/month after this so my guess is it will start going a lot more junior.

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

AA, where did you get that 20 a month figure from? I was shocked by how senior it went. And to think someone in my seniority range (9200) might have a shot. Hopefully it will begin to go much more junior in the coming months.

 

[aa73]

The manager of crew planning had stated that the Bus initial class would be small but would increase to around 20/month as deliveries start happening. So that's why we think it'll start going more junior as it picks up.

Any way you slice it, DFW awards will always be more senior than other bases.

Good to see ya back Herk, it's been a while! :beer:

 

[i fly boxes]

Bump - any updates?

 

[rjacobs]

I heard they are possibly shooting for some time in June to open the app window with interviews to follow for September new hire classes. Nothing concrete yet, but just a time frame that was thrown around.