PDT/PSA TA info?

[ALGFLYR]

Any information on the PDT and PSA TA's? Specifically what kind of flow-thru agreement was negotiated? Roadshows began today at PDT...

 

[kf4amu]

half of all future new hires at USAirways come from PDT and PSA equally, or 25 percent per WO, OR 3 per month US is hiring, whichever is lower. Conflicting reports of whether this agreement survives the merger. My guess is that it's not worth the paper it's written on.

 

[buxflyr]

half of all future new hires at USAirways come from PDT and PSA equally, or 25 percent per WO, OR 3 per month US is hiring, whichever is lower. Conflicting reports of whether this agreement survives the merger. My guess is that it's not worth the paper it's written on.

I got a little bit confused there. Did you mean 3 people per month as the low #, or was that a type-o sentence?

If US is really going to need 150 in the next three months, they better pick it up. Seems like the phone calls have dried up recently.

 

[kf4amu]

3 per month or 25 percent of hiring for that month, whatever is lower. Gives them an out to keep the flow manageable at Pdt if they hire 400 in a year, Pdt would need to train 100 new hires plus 100 upgrades to meet the 25 percent quota. We only have about 230 Capts and half of them are lifers so there would be extraordinary churn if they were forced to hire half of our Capts a year

 

[n757st]

What a deal.... 36 people a year max.... lol

 

[kf4amu]

What a deal.... 36 people a year max.... lol

Well that's just usair. People will go elsewhere as well, but either way it boils down to whether you trust airline management to follow this agreement. The TA has some improvements but also concessions, so overall it's been a waste of 4 years IMO. The health care cost increase offsets a large portion of the raises.

 

[WSurf]

Went to the road show today... Union did a great job with its presentation. Yes it not perfect, but we will still be able to put our contract against most in the industry. As for health care cost its much better then the 500.00 a month family plan at Republic. And I think we still have the best Healthcare in the industry when you incluse what we pay.

I'll be voting Yes

 

[kf4amu]

Who did they compare us to? Because our competitors pay their pilots much more.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Went to the road show today... Union did a great job with its presentation. Yes it not perfect, but we will still be able to put our contract against most in the industry. As for health care cost its much better then the 500.00 a month family plan at Republic. And I think we still have the best Healthcare in the industry when you incluse what we pay.

I'll be voting Yes

Any other details? Pay, min day, dh pay?

 

[kf4amu]

Modest pay raises below inflation, 75 percent DH, 11 day off min, 75 hr guarantee. 11 day off and 75 hr guarantee don't affect most of the pilot group. With new ft dt rules all lines will be close to 11 days off anyway.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Modest pay raises below inflation, 75 percent DH, 11 day off min, 75 hr guarantee. 11 day off and 75 hr guarantee don't affect most of the pilot group. With new ft dt rules all lines will be close to 11 days off anyway.

75 hrs for rsv lines too? Thats a bump from 72.

 

[kf4amu]

75 hrs for rsv lines too? Thats a bump from 72.

Yes. So that plus min day off increase of 1 for the reserve guys. Sorely needed I might add, reserve rules were one of our biggest gripes. DH pay of 75 percent (increased from 50) helps them disproportionally too, so reserve will be more lucrative. We also got a critical change in extension language, so now the company admits a reserve pilot is considered a "pilot" according to the contract and the section that covers "pilot schedule extensions" applies to reserves now. Pathetic we had to bargain for something we already had.

So reserve life will be noticeably better, but its like saying one turd smells better than another. The rest of the contract improvements are offset by the concessions we gave.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Im hearing Jr man is now 4 hrs min at 1.75%, but open is worse. Sucks if you like picjing up time I guess. Also got min day of 3.5.....wouldve been better at 4 though. Whats the word on signing bonus?

 

[kf4amu]

6 percent of line 1 W2 from 2012. Pathetic.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

6 percent of line 1 W2 from 2012. Pathetic.

Well that $2400 if youre an fo who earned 40k. Thats not really bad for a regional.

 

[ex j-41]

1.8% no?

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Yes. So that plus min day off increase of 1 for the reserve guys. Sorely needed I might add, reserve rules were one of our biggest gripes. DH pay of 75 percent (increased from 50) helps them disproportionally too, so reserve will be more lucrative. We also got a critical change in extension language, so now the company admits a reserve pilot is considered a "pilot" according to the contract and the section that covers "pilot schedule extensions" applies to reserves now. Pathetic we had to bargain for something we already had.

So reserve life will be noticeably better, but its like saying one turd smells better than another. The rest of the contract improvements are offset by the concessions we gave.

Wait....are talking about psa or PDT? I just realized the name of this thread.

 

[kf4amu]

Well that $2400 if youre an fo who earned 40k. Thats not really bad for a regional.

Doesn't come close to the lost wages of 4 years of negotiations and the profit sharing we no longer get...now that we are making record profits.

 

[kf4amu]

Wait....are talking about psa or PDT? I just realized the name of this thread.

PDT here.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

PDT here.

Oops. I thought you were talking about psa.