B6 Hiring

[CapnVegetto]

Just flew with a very senior captain. No voter. Couldn't change his mind. It is exactly as a lot of you say. He can't refute any of the facts I present to him, he can't argue with me logically, he just votes no because he likes the status quo and doesn't like ALPA.

Guys like that are just hopeless. Best to forget them and just move on to someone you CAN sway. It is frustrating, though.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Just flew with a very senior captain. No voter. Couldn't change his mind. It is exactly as a lot of you say. He can't refute any of the facts I present to him, he can't argue with me logically, he just votes no because he likes the status quo and doesn't like ALPA.

Guys like that are just hopeless. Best to forget them and just move on to someone you CAN sway. It is frustrating, though.

There's nothing wrong with liking status quo, and not liking ALPA. That isn't an emotional position. That's an actual position. It isn't necessarily set in stone that things will improve with ALPA.

Many of you are more "emotional" than the no voters. Look at your angry, aggressive responses when a no voter posts on here. That isn't emotional?

The fact is that there are two sides. Both are legitimate. Some can be swayed, and some cannot. It's is just like any other political situation on the planet. Die hard yes vs. die hard no, with the middle ground up for grabs.

 

[$$$4nothin]

There's nothing wrong with liking status quo, and not liking ALPA. That isn't an emotional position. That's an actual position. It isn't necessarily set in stone that things will improve with ALPA.

Many of you are more "emotional" than the no voters. Look at your angry, aggressive responses when a no voter posts on here. That isn't emotional?

The fact is that there are two sides. Both are legitimate. Some can be swayed, and some cannot. It's is just like any other political situation on the planet. Die hard yes vs. die hard no, with the middle ground up for grabs.

ASA: I am also new here at JB (2 years) I love working here and hate the fact that we need a union. Unfortunately the FAA and merger mania that is the airline industry requires it. You really only have to ask yourself two questions that will help you make your decision.

1. You will mess up one day. We all will, and it can happen in a second. When the FAA comes after your certificate and you get called into the Chief pilots office, they will be looking out for the company's best interest and not yours. Do you want to walk into that office all alone, or do you want an entire ALPA legal team walking in with you to speak on your behalf. I know what I want.

2. When JB is merged or bought some day, and statistically speaking this is a 90-95% certainty over the course of the 30 years you have left of this career. Do you want the ELT (who has A LOT to lose or gain in the deal) negotiating for you and your best interest, or do you want a 3rd party that has your interest at least in mind when negotiating for you. Again I know what I want.

So here are two completely unemotional reasons to vote yes to ALPA. Look I want to have a long career here at JB. I just want to do it with as many protections that I can possibly get. To vote no to ALPA is putting your career and your family at unneccesary risk for very little gain. So don't listen to anything else from anyone else. These two no emotion facts alone are enough reason over any other for you to vote in ALPA.

I am sure I will get bashed by the blow hards because I like JB and want JB to succeede. The simple truth though is ALPA is an absolute neccesity as a professional pilot in todays highly legislated and regulated world.

Choose wisely and based on facts my friend.

 

[BeachBummer]

I am sure I will get bashed by the blow hards because I like JB and want JB to succeede..

You should learn when to stop talking... Would have been an excellent post.

 

[CapnVegetto]

There's nothing wrong with liking status quo, and not liking ALPA. That isn't an emotional position. That's an actual position. It isn't necessarily set in stone that things will improve with ALPA.

Many of you are more "emotional" than the no voters. Look at your angry, aggressive responses when a no voter posts on here. That isn't emotional?

The fact is that there are two sides. Both are legitimate. Some can be swayed, and some cannot. It's is just like any other political situation on the planet. Die hard yes vs. die hard no, with the middle ground up for grabs.

At what point in that post did I become emotional? I spoke of logic and reason, and the OTHER guy being emotional. Not liking ALPA has nothing whatsoever to do with logic. It is PURE emotion. It is the absolute definition of emotion.

Liking the status quo may not necessarily be emotional, but it is idiotic. The status quo is the absolute gutting we just took in health insurance. The status quo equates to no work rules. The status quo equates to everybody else getting significant raises right now (even US Airways, possibly in the near future thanks to the union negotiated MOU), and the company doing everything it can to weasel out of giving us anything more than 2%.

I don't want the status quo. At the very least, we can vote in a union and put a freeze on whatever else they might want to take away.

It's not emotional, man, it's just business. I want negotiation. I want my benefits locked into writing. And I want exactly what $$$4nothin just posted. I don't hate JB. I like it here, and I'd love to stay here for 30 years. I'd love for this place to be good enough to where if United or Delta called I could tell them 'thanks but no thanks'. Right now, that is not the case, and it is only going downhill.

The ELT should be asking themselves this: Why do so many think we NEED a union? why are there so many angries? It's nobody's fault but theirs. A company only has as much union as it needs. I guarantee you, if the ELT took HALF the money they spent on bull$hit like MWW group, shark posters, consultants, F & H, and other union busting stuff and put it to employee improvements, there is no way we'd be getting a union. But they have chosen this path, and now they have to walk down it.

A union is coming, it's just a matter of when.

 

[Smarta$$]

You should learn when to stop talking... Would have been an excellent post.

No, he was right to say that. You're just to blind to see why he said it.

 

[Fins Up]

ASA: I am also new here at JB (2 years) I love working here and hate the fact that we need a union. Unfortunately the FAA and merger mania that is the airline industry requires it. You really only have to ask yourself two questions that will help you make your decision.

1. You will mess up one day. We all will, and it can happen in a second. When the FAA comes after your certificate and you get called into the Chief pilots office, they will be looking out for the company's best interest and not yours. Do you want to walk into that office all alone, or do you want an entire ALPA legal team walking in with you to speak on your behalf. I know what I want.

2. When JB is merged or bought some day, and statistically speaking this is a 90-95% certainty over the course of the 30 years you have left of this career. Do you want the ELT (who has A LOT to lose or gain in the deal) negotiating for you and your best interest, or do you want a 3rd party that has your interest at least in mind when negotiating for you. Again I know what I want.

So here are two completely unemotional reasons to vote yes to ALPA. Look I want to have a long career here at JB. I just want to do it with as many protections that I can possibly get. To vote no to ALPA is putting your career and your family at unneccesary risk for very little gain. So don't listen to anything else from anyone else. These two no emotion facts alone are enough reason over any other for you to vote in ALPA.

I am sure I will get bashed by the blow hards because I like JB and want JB to succeede. The simple truth though is ALPA is an absolute neccesity as a professional pilot in todays highly legislated and regulated world.

Choose wisely and based on facts my friend.

Great post. This is the stuff one needs to consider most. I really don't want to pay dues, but I want the resources (legal, medical, safety, etc.) that are available to me immediately upon voting in ALPA - before I even pay a cent in dues. Think of it as insurance. I don't want to pay my car insurance premiums, but I don't want to drive around without it either.

 

[StarChecker]

I am sure I will get bashed by the blow hards because I like JB and want JB to succeede. The simple truth though is ALPA is an absolute neccesity as a professional pilot in todays highly legislated and regulated world.

Choose wisely and based on facts my friend.

Great post.

 

[rjpilot7667]

Dude, spell check.

 

[BeachBummer]

No, he was right to say that. You're just to blind to see why he said it.

It must be hard being the smartest-A$$ out there.

The point was that he made an excellent post noting facts and finished it off with a completely emotional statment.

Your just as much of a hinderance to this process as linepilot and 50retard...