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AMR/LCC Merger and Furlough Question...

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I'm starting class soon with US Airways. I know it's a gamble, as with anything I guess. I'm leaving a Captain seat at a good regional to go, mind you I have plenty of TPIC. I know this is a vague question with a million different opinions, but if the merger happens, is furlough right off the bat a real possibility?
 
kj6991 said:
I'm starting class soon with US Airways. I know it's a gamble, as with anything I guess. I'm leaving a Captain seat at a good regional to go, mind you I have plenty of TPIC. I know this is a vague question with a million different opinions, but if the merger happens, is furlough right off the bat a real possibility?
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Sure.
 
kj6991 said:
I'm starting class soon with US Airways. I know it's a gamble, as with anything I guess. I'm leaving a Captain seat at a good regional to go, mind you I have plenty of TPIC. I know this is a vague question with a million different opinions, but if the merger happens, is furlough right off the bat a real possibility?
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Nope.
 
Realtalk: take your first legacy job prepared for and expecting your first furlough.



********************, make that two furloughs just in case.
 
kj6991 said:
I'm starting class soon with US Airways. I know it's a gamble, as with anything I guess. I'm leaving a Captain seat at a good regional to go, mind you I have plenty of TPIC. I know this is a vague question with a million different opinions, but if the merger happens, is furlough right off the bat a real possibility?
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I think it could happen, but we all know that USAir East has a bunch of old guys ready to retire, and they will in droves. If the merger happens, and you were hired after the announcement, then you would be placed by an arbitrator at the bottom of the list, which means you could get furloughed first. Of course, the US Easties would have to agree to arbitration this time without crossing their fingers..... Regardless, I think you are in a good spot. Getting in at the BEGINNING of a hiring wave. There will be retirements, if a merger happens you are in a good spot (hired before any newhires on the AA side), and the beginning of a wave. WELL DONE. Now just get through the eventual joint contract and raise, and the SLI that may be contentious. If you can do that, you will be set.

As far as being furloughed, if there is a lot of hub overlap, then they could do that. But, I don't see a lot of hubs that are close other than JFK (AA) and PHL (US), even though both are large cities that can support themselves, and PHL is more of a domestic hub compared to the INTL airport of JFK. Still, I don't see much downsizing (maybe PHX a bit due to the loss of headquarters to DFW if it happens), and the huge amount of retirements on both sides in the next few years would put you in a good spot. I think it was a good move.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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I don't know what you're situation is, but if you think that you as a newhire will go ahead of all those furloughed AMR pilots, you might want to reconsider. I would EXPECT a furlough if i were you. Mergers rarely result in a net gain of jobs. The SWA newhires got bent over pretty hard in the merger with airtran. Thats a tough one though with all the retirements coming.
 
Short term at AMR/USAIR merged company, quit regional flying an RJ,get to fly an RJ at a major in the right seat for a lot less and less seniority.. bummer. Long term, eventualy, hopefully you will make more at the new AMR if they merge than you ever would at the regional you were at, depending on how old you are.
 
Daddy said:
I don't know what you're situation is, but if you think that you as a newhire will go ahead of all those furloughed AMR pilots, you might want to reconsider. I would EXPECT a furlough if i were you. Mergers rarely result in a net gain of jobs. The SWA newhires got bent over pretty hard in the merger with airtran. Thats a tough one though with all the retirements coming.
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After 4 mergers I would say that people on furlough generally make out poorly compared to folks that are working.
 
Daddy said:
I don't know what you're situation is, but if you think that you as a newhire will go ahead of all those furloughed AMR pilots, you might want to reconsider. I would EXPECT a furlough if i were you. Mergers rarely result in a net gain of jobs. The SWA newhires got bent over pretty hard in the merger with airtran. Thats a tough one though with all the retirements coming.
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True, but SWA does not have the retire attrition that AA/US has.
 
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Have any furloughs ever gone on top of any active pilot in a merger?
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No. But if you are on voluntary furlough or haven't come back from furlough on your own, and somebody below you has come back, he will not be placed in front of you on the list. Nobody can hopscotch above you on your own list.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Daddy said:
I don't know what you're situation is, but if you think that you as a newhire will go ahead of all those furloughed AMR pilots, you might want to reconsider. I would EXPECT a furlough if i were you. Mergers rarely result in a net gain of jobs. The SWA newhires got bent over pretty hard in the merger with airtran. Thats a tough one though with all the retirements coming.
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Huh? Expect a furlough? If there is major overlap of hubs and big hubs have to close due to closeness, and there are no upcoming retirments, then MAYBE. I see huge retirements on both the USAir East and AA side.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Daddy said:
I don't know what you're situation is, but if you think that you as a newhire will go ahead of all those furloughed AMR pilots, you might want to reconsider. I would EXPECT a furlough if i were you. Mergers rarely result in a net gain of jobs. The SWA newhires got bent over pretty hard in the merger with airtran. Thats a tough one though with all the retirements coming.
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Please explain how the new hires got bent over. You are talking about guys that weren't even on property when the merger was announced.
 
In this case the General is right. There are no guarantees in this industry but the coming retirement wave is MASSIVE and overall in the U.S. load factors are high so there's little reason to cut capacity, even if there is some overlap in routes. Risk of furlough appears remote and I wouldn't let that factor into your decision. In fact the job security at the regionals is much more shaky in the long run than at any major due to the constant threat of whipsaw.
 
Will being in bankruptcy hurt current AA pilots in the eyes of a seniority list arbitration?
 
27 driver said:
Please explain how the new hires got bent over. You are talking about guys that weren't even on property when the merger was announced.
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Exactly. Even in arbitration, everyone hired after the merger announcement gets stapled.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
As a regional pilot you have to decide if you want to keep getting kicked around at the regionals OR start getting kicked around at the majors.

Congrats...you made the right choice.
 

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