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[UndauntedFlyer]

You are simply a pathetic old man who did no financial preparation for retirement. Look in the mirror. You screwed up. You didn't save anything in spite of making big bucks for more than 5 years after 9/11.

You've probably gotten a reverse mortgage on your house. You're out there looking for any job you can get to earn a few bucks. And you can't even afford new clothes. Have you sold your motorcycle yet? You'll be selling off your possessions one by one to survive.

Everything I pointed out in my brief post about you was accurate. As I posted, you were wrong about the future of age 60 in most everything you posted, such as the medical aspect of flying past age 60 and predicting it would never pass. And the link to the accident you reference was a Part 91 operation by a 75-year old Lear pilot. Nice try but more BS trying to make your points.

Now for some facts that again point out the total BS in your post above: My home and everything I own is completely paid for. I have one wife, two cars, two motorcycles and no debts. I am completely retired. I do no work as a pilot or as a DPE or teaching a FIRC or anything else. I do no expert witness work. My income is from my B fund, investments, S/S and the PBGC. I have a kid in college studying electrical engineering and his tuition is paid by my early planning through participation in a 529 plan. I taught all my children to fly and after all that, I am retired.

I had nothing to do with the negotiations at UAL that brought on any type of changes to the CBA. I just flew my trips for 37-years, less furlough. No accidents, incidents, late shows or missed trips. Never failed a checkride.

So you see, again, your posts are totally inaccurate just like all your age 60 posts.

 

[pilotyip]

Everything I pointed out in my brief post about you was accurate. As I posted, you were wrong about the future of age 60 in most everything you posted, such as the medical aspect of flying past age 60 and predicting it would never pass. And the link to the accident you reference was a Part 91 operation by a 75-year old Lear pilot. Nice try but more BS trying to make your points.

Now for some facts that again point out the total BS in your post above: My home and everything I own is completely paid for. I have one wife, two cars, two motorcycles and no debts. I am completely retired. I do no work as a pilot or as a DPE or teaching a FIRC or anything else. I do no expert witness work. My income is from my B fund, investments, S/S and the PBGC. I have a kid in college studying electrical engineering and his tuition is paid by my early planning through participation in a 529 plan. I taught all my children to fly and after all that, I am retired.

I had nothing to do with the negotiations at UAL that brought on any type of changes to the CBA. I just flew my trips for 37-years, less furlough. No accidents, incidents, late shows or missed trips. Never failed a checkride.

So you see, again, your posts are totally inaccurate just like all your age 60 posts.

Good for you! nice touch of reality for the "get out of my seat crowd"

 

[SWA/FO]

Another one leaving tomorrow at SWA. Good Luck in retirement - salty!

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Good for you! nice touch of reality for the "get out of my seat crowd"

Yes, I'm sorry to see that that crowd has not changed. They all feel so entitled just because they were born. I would guess that many support socialized everything: Obama care, school lunches, food stamps, welfare, public service unions, double dipping, etc.

 

[imacdog]

I didn't see UF turning down an upgrade when his coworkers were retiring at 60, did anyone else?

 

[SWA/FO]

entitled; to stay in the left seat 5 extra years because they were born and hired first? Cuts both way old man, time to move on. Just because you have no cards left to play - doesn't make any of us sad for you. Out with the old in with the new!!!

 

[bizicmo]

Yes, what you say is true but that was the economy, not the change to age 65. Unfortunately, the $hit hit the fan all at once: Age 65 and the economy.

So you admit that age 65 did cause people to lose their jobs. The 140ish people at CAL were furloughed because of age 65 and the economy went into recession. Age 65 was A reason that junior people lost their jobs.

The recession by itself would not have caused the 140ish people at CAL to be furloughed.

 

[livin'thesim]

Just glad they are gone.

 

[SXMp2c]

So this is what the Geezer Meter has become.

What a sad, sad hijack.

Time to un-sticky and let Undaunted and Yip use their CompuServe accounts to compare their reverse mortgages.

 

[Whataburger]

Interesting, indeed.

 

[pilotyip]

So this is what the Geezer Meter has become.

What a sad, sad hijack.

Time to un-sticky and let Undaunted and Yip use their CompuServe accounts to compare their reverse mortgages.

Hey if things work out for you, you to may be a Geezer some day, BTW Reverse Mortgages are pretty dumb

 

[laker4284]

So this is what the Geezer Meter has become.

What a sad, sad hijack.

Time to un-sticky and let Undaunted and Yip use their CompuServe accounts to compare their reverse mortgages.

Well, you guys kind of brought it on yourselves with you uncool derogatory comments about older (senior, experienced?) pilots. So they pushed back.

I kinda thought this thread would be over but it turned into something else after the countdown. Well, fine. If you guys want to re-debate the issue five years later it seems like there are some who woul be happy to engage with you.

 

[laker4284]

Just glad they are gone.

"they" are not yet gone. "they" are only one our two guys who left after turning sixty after Dec 13th. "they" would, accurately, be all those who got to stay five more years. It will take five years until "they" are all gone. And then..."they" will be around essentially forever, as "they" will be everyone....since 65 is (and has been, for five years) the new norm.

 

[Whataburger]

Any water flying today?

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Already had 2 at US Airways West. Don't know about the east, I imagine their just gonna park a truck at K7 in PHL and just leave the hose running for the next 4 or 5 years.

 

[Quiet Flight]

Already had 2 at US Airways West. Don't know about the east, I imagine their just gonna park a truck at K7 in PHL and just leave the hose running for the next 4 or 5 years.

Speaking of which, could someone post USAir (east and west) retirement numbers for next yr? Thx.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

"they" are not yet gone. And then..."they" will be around essentially forever, as "they" will be everyone....since 65 is (and has been, for five years) the new norm.

There you go, Laker4284 gets it completely. He's found the problem. He, and I hope others, see that the age-65 group is now everyone, including themselves.

Everyone will have the opportunity to fly to age 65 or retire early if they so wish. What a great change that helps everyone. Age-65 is a change that has come for the better for every Part 121 pilot.

So does this make everyone on a seniority list to be the new enemy of promotions? To some I guess that will be their view of everyone senior to them that doesn't retire "early." Whatever early is.

 

[surveypilot]

You are right that everyone got 5 potential years added to their career, but UF, what you fail to acknowledge is which 5 years were added. Those that were 55+ got an additional 5 premium pay years. Those that were in their 30's got 5 years of low pay, stagnation, and possible furloughs. That is where the problem lies!

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

You are right that everyone got 5 potential years added to their career, but UF, what you fail to acknowledge is which 5 years were added. Those that were 55+ got an additional 5 premium pay years. Those that were in their 30's got 5 years of low pay, stagnation, and possible furloughs. That is where the problem lies!

Of course, age-60 as a retirement age was a lie from the beginning that was based on complete BS, as has been proven over the last 5-years. Therefore in your argument you should mention that when the law went from no retirement age to age 60, didn't the under age-55 pilots get an unfair boost that helped advance the same group you identify as the victims of the age-65 change.

Shouldn't it be true that for every lie there must hopefully be a correction. Age-60 was a lie, and age-65 is the correction.

 

[surveypilot]

Of course, age-60 as a retirement age was a lie from the beginning that was based on complete BS, as has been proven over the last 5-years. Therefore in your argument you should mention that when the law went from no retirement age to age 60, didn't the under age-55 pilots get an unfair boost that helped advance the same group you identify as the victims of the age-65 change.

Shouldn't it be true that for every lie there must hopefully be a correction. Age-60 was a lie, and age-65 is the correction.

I won't argue weather age 60 was ever right or wrong. My beef has always been about implementation. Any overnight change in the rules helps some and screws some. The problem is that the implementation of 60 screwed a few. The implementation of 65 screwed thousands!