UAL TA passes

[Stukadriver]

67% in favor with 97.66% voting

 

[RT8VA]

Shame on the 2.34% that chose not to vote. I was in a road show and a guy on mil leave was begging for the chance, how do you not vote.

 

[Jetjockey]

Shame on the 2.34% that chose not to vote. I was in a road show and a guy on mil leave was begging for the chance, how do you not vote.

The wifi reception under the rock which they live is terrible.

 

[Crash Pad]

67% in favor with 97.66% voting

The TA that had zero chance of passing because it was an insult?

 

[Dan Roman]

The TA that had zero chance of passing because it was an insult?

In any ratification vote there is always some very vocal, not very realistic extremists. These guys throw around personal insults at pilots that don't think as they do as if insulting someone somehow makes their point more valid, they think democracy only works if they agree with the outcome and they make all kinds of dire predictions that never come true.

Sadly, even if a majority vote a certain way, they will still try and undermine their leadership any way they can.

 

[Crash Pad]

Dan I didn't know you worked at AirTran.

 

[SWA717]

In any ratification vote there is always some very vocal, not very realistic extremists. These guys throw around personal insults at pilots that don't think as they do as if insulting someone somehow makes their point more valid, they think democracy only works if they agree with the outcome and they make all kinds of dire predictions that never come true.

Sadly, even if a majority vote a certain way, they will still try and undermine their leadership any way they can.

Sounds like what happened at Airtran during SLI 1

 

[Uncle Bort]

Just heard a rumor that sUAL will get their first retro in Dec and sCAL will get theirs in Feb (subj to higher tax rate and a new FICA yr). All I see in the contract is the LOA that states within 30 days a signing. Anyone know about this? If it's true, the rage will be uncontrollable.

 

[Jetjockey]

FI,...... platform for the vocal minority.

 

[General Lee]

Just heard a rumor that sUAL will get their first retro in Dec and sCAL will get theirs in Feb (subj to higher tax rate and a new FICA yr). All I see in the contract is the LOA that states within 30 days a signing. Anyone know about this? If it's true, the rage will be uncontrollable.

Buddy of mine on the L-UAL side said Retro will now be in 3 checks, with the first one now coming Dec 24th due to the extra taxes that could result from Fiscal Cliff. So, there were going to be 2 of them, the first 30 days after signing, and then the second after the SLI is done. But, again, since there could be tax ramifications, there will be a 3rd one which will equal 40% of the 1st check given out on the 24th. Clear as mud? 3 checks. The first will be 40% of what the first one WOULD HAVE BEEN.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flopgut]

I was told today by a source on the CAL side that the UAL side was attempting to get something before the first of the year, (not a certainty) and that CAL ALPA was shooting for late January. CAL process requires that DEC earnings be known before payout.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Sounds like what happened at Airtran during SLI 1

Are you speaking of the MEC vote?

 

[eaglesview]

I was told today by a source on the CAL side that the UAL side was attempting to get something before the first of the year, (not a certainty) and that CAL ALPA was shooting for late January. CAL process requires that DEC earnings be known before payout.

You are correct, we get our first "retro" check on the 24th.

 

[eaglesview]

Just heard a rumor that sUAL will get their first retro in Dec and sCAL will get theirs in Feb (subj to higher tax rate and a new FICA yr). All I see in the contract is the LOA that states within 30 days a signing. Anyone know about this? If it's true, the rage will be uncontrollable.

Why the rage, because CALPA negotiated the payouts differently than we did?

 

[Uncle Bort]

Not rage, disgust. Cal MEC could have easily developed an advance on retro plan. Retro was mishandled in so many ways.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Love all of it, the " super ALPA" airline arguing with the "super scab" airline ohh I forgot they all got " forgiven" now they are " members in good standing with unfortunate dates of hire" sad for my many respected colleagues like myself who passed up CO in the '80s just to be relegated to negotiating with those " members in good standing"

 

[Full of LUV]

67% in favor with 97.66% voting

Looks like mgmt overspent by about 16%.... they're probably pissed tonight!