ALPA/TWA Duty of Fair Representation Award

[Super 80]

Does anyone have any news of what the Judge awarded the former TWA pilots from ALPA based on their DFR lawsuit? I thought the decision was supposed to have been handed down by now.

 

[TWA Dude]

We're in the discovery phase for damages now. Once that's done a damages trial will be scheduled, hopefully within a year. At that point we'll have a dollar amount. Then comes the appeal. Two to three years till resolution.

 

[Super 80]

Thanks.

 

[Flyer1015]

I hope you TWA folks take ALPA through the cleaners.

 

[Splert]

I hope you TWA folks take ALPA through the cleaners.

You mean other pilots, right?

 

[PCL_128]

I hope you TWA folks take ALPA through the cleaners.

Keep dreaming.

 

[Turtle21]

In my opinion ALPA threw the TWA pilots under the mothership in an attempt to get APA back into the barn. I wouldn't mind seeing the ALPA elite troffers having to cut back on their caviar and crumpets (though I think it would be more of a punishment to them if they had to.. gasp, wear a pilot uniform).

Sadly this righteous assault on the ALPA castle will probably find the walls are impenetrable, even if a few valiant souls breach the mote. I suspect ALPA will drag it on for years and erode the vigor and wallets of the ones thy already staked in the heart. At long last ALAP will probably put a short summary in the next Flying the Line, with a self-serving explanation, as a further twist of the dagger.

Other than that, ALPA rocks.

 

[Flyer1015]

Keep dreaming.

Epic DFR fail. Not a dream, but a FAILURE.

 

[Dan Roman]

You mean other pilots, right?

Well said.

 

[Jim]

In my opinion ALPA threw the TWA pilots under the mothership in an attempt to get APA back into the barn. I wouldn't mind seeing the ALPA elite troffers having to cut back on their caviar and crumpets (though I think it would be more of a punishment to them if they had to.. gasp, wear a pilot uniform).

Sadly this righteous assault on the ALPA castle will probably find the walls are impenetrable, even if a few valiant souls breach the mote. I suspect ALPA will drag it on for years and erode the vigor and wallets of the ones thy already staked in the heart. At long last ALAP will probably put a short summary in the next Flying the Line, with a self-serving explanation, as a further twist of the dagger.

Other than that, ALPA rocks.

Laughable coming from someone who belongs to a pilot group with absolutely zero integrity.

 

[ironspud]

You mean other pilots, right?

Especially them.

 

[Jim]

For what it's worth, when Lee Moak met with our pilot group last month he said that no current ALPA pilots would be hit any type of assessment if damages are awarded.

 

[TWA Dude]

I don't know why some are so intent on fear-mongering. I think the chance of an assessment to pay any damages is zero. ALPA is insured and they won't go bankrupt over this.

 

[PCL_128]

Epic DFR fail. Not a dream, but a FAILURE.

Yes, because your experience and qualifications in this area are unparalleled.

 

[doh]

ALPA works directly against the best interests of the vast majority of its members. USAPA works directly against the best interests of all its members. I hope I never have dealings with either one of them.

 

[livin'thesim]

PFT128 - the big ALPA hero!

You're a joke, junior.

 

[xkuzme1]

I also believe that the TWA folks were thrown under the bus by yesterdays ALPA. They deserve some kind of compensation, but I am not sure it should come from ALPA. The problem is that the money will come from other pilots. Most of the pilots that had nothing to do with neither the decision making process nor the guidence to direct it, AND 99% of the ALPA pilots are making WAY less than they were in 2001. The people who were the ALPA decision makers of the day are no longer there. All those people are gone with their millions of dollars, and the membership and current leadership will be forced to deal with the burden.

The lawsuit needs to be against the ALPA membership of the day and not against the organization. Dwayne Worth as I recall.

X

 

[PCL_128]

The problem is that the money will come from other pilots.

This the problem with any lawsuit against a union. You're never suing some nebulous entity, you're suing your fellow pilots and taking money out of their pockets. Even if you don't win (and I don't think the TWA pilots ultimately will), you still wasted incredible amounts of your fellow pilots' money on the defense that typically costs millions of dollars for a long-term suit. Where is the honor in taking money out of your union brother's pockets?

 

[TWA Dude]

I'm no legal expert but I'm pretty sure union presidents are indemnified from personal lawsuits pertaining to official actions they performed in office. In other words, ALPA is the proper (and indeed only legal) entity to sue for Woerth's actions.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm no legal expert but I'm pretty sure union presidents are indemnified from personal lawsuits pertaining to official actions they performed in office. In other words, ALPA is the proper (and indeed only legal) entity to sue for Woerth's actions.

Yes, it's true that you can't go after Woerth personally. Still doesn't make it right to steal money out of the pockets of union brothers.