SKYW, Inc Q3 2012 Results - $20M Profit

[Nevets]

But when these a/c are parked SKYW INC can do a new cpa for flying at SKYW or ASA. Also those approx 200 pilots...what do you think will happen to the flying they were doing. Yep, ASA to cover.

Well, if we are gonna lose aircraft, we won't need those supposed 200 pilots anyway. Seems to take care of itself. I'm sure attrition will take care of any possibilities of anything else. But I'm sure you'll try to find some kind of doom and gloom response just for the sake of it.

Let me be clear again, I don't care if they get rid of airplanes with expiring leases, furlough 200 pilots, get new CPAs, etc, etc. Its all status quo. This all would have been true even if Skywest didn't buy us.

 

[XPOO]

Nothing makes us more special. My only point is that it doesn't make sense to agree to a concession when we don't have to. We are not at will employees like you guys are so they can't just "ask" for pay cuts. But thanks again Mr. Dispatcher for injecting yourself into a conversation about XJT pilots' contract.

All I said was, "sounds good to me." Please keep your current contract, but why just for five years? Let's shoot for 10 or 20. You guys continue to lose money and the attrition will take care of everything else. Win/win for all of us.

 

[Clutch]

I've been here 7 years and not planning on being a lifer. But my point being is that those aircraft leaving when their 15 and 15.5 year leases expire were part of the original CPA CAL wrote when they spun off COEX in 2002, it was part of the amended CPA in 2008, and part of the new CPA in 2010 when Skywest bought us. In all cases, we've known those aircraft will leave when their leases begin to expire next year. It would be true if Skywest wouldn't have bought us. Hence why I said it was status quo.



This proves your ignorance. We haven't had 200% in about a year. And when we did have it, it was very sporadic. And not one person can monopolize it anyway.

Our contract is concessionary in that LOA 9 was ratified with a 6.87% pay cut on all pay rates. We did get a couple of improved contract language but it wasn't monetary.

It doesn't prove ignorance, naivety of your contract maybe, but the fact of the matter remains; guys are unreasobable dicks.

 

[hou757]

All I said was, "sounds good to me." Please keep your current contract, but why just for five years? Let's shoot for 10 or 20. You guys continue to lose money and the attrition will take care of everything else. Win/win for all of us.

What is your source that LXJT is losing money?

 

[XPOO]

Simple really, but I couldnt do so without divulging company information on a public forum and I'm not going to do that. Any SkyWest or ExpressJet employee can do the math themselves on their respective company websites under the financial bonus section. If you care enough to find out for yourself, go do the math.

Couple whatever you find with the fact that ASA had no problem making money before ExpressJet was bought, and the fact that ExpressJet was losing money for years before they were bought, and its easy to see that XJT is negatively affecting ASA's bottom line.

 

[Nevets]

All I said was, "sounds good to me." Please keep your current contract, but why just for five years? Let's shoot for 10 or 20. You guys continue to lose money and the attrition will take care of everything else. Win/win for all of us.

And all I said is thanks to a dispatcher interjecting himself in a conversation about some other airline's pilot contract. Why five years? Well maybe if you didn't interject yourself into a conversation with a LASA pilot, you would know they negotiated for five years and worked under their old contract before ratifying their current one. But I'm sure as a non-union dispatcher of a different airline, you would know about the RLA and the realities of it.

It doesn't prove ignorance, naivety of your contract maybe, but the fact of the matter remains; guys are unreasobable dicks.

I ask again then and maybe you can actually answer the simple question this time. Why should we agree to a contract that is concessionary instead of operating under our current one?

 

[XPOO]

And all I said is thanks to a dispatcher interjecting himself in a conversation about some other airline's pilot contract. Why five years? Well maybe if you didn't interject yourself into a conversation with a LASA pilot, you would know they negotiated for five years and worked under their old contract before ratifying their current one. But I'm sure as a non-union dispatcher of a different airline, you would know about the RLA and the realities of it.



I ask again then and maybe you can actually answer the simple question this time. Why should we agree to a contract that is concessionary instead of operating under our current one?

Dude, I know all about ASA and their 5 years of negotiations. What I'm saying is, let's up the bar and go for 10 years of negotiations. It seems to be in your nature at XJT to one up everyone else. This would be a good start.

And my group is also currently going through pay negotations. You just don't see us on here airing our dirty laundry about it.

 

[Nevets]

Simple really, but I couldnt do so without divulging company information on a public forum and I'm not going to do that. Any SkyWest or ExpressJet employee can do the math themselves on their respective company websites under the financial bonus section. If you care enough to find out for yourself, go do the math.

Couple whatever you find with the fact that ASA had no problem making money before ExpressJet was bought, and the fact that ExpressJet was losing money for years before they were bought, and its easy to see that XJT is negatively affecting ASA's bottom line.

Nothing on our side. But you fail to mention that the CPA that Skywest Inc agreed to when buying ASA is that after five years they would only be paid the second lowest block hour of all the DCI carriers. They were headed to dramatic revenue loss and XJT had a new CPA for 35 aircraft with UAL and in the middle of negotiating another one with US Airways before Skywest put a stop to that. Then XJT enters the picture at precisely that five year mark. BR himself espoused how they would save about $60 million per year in synergy and economies of scale by merging the two airlines. And by the way, the reason why XJT was losing money is because SKW low balled the 2008 CPA that XJT inherited because they were able to offer a lower cost to CAL after assuming we would take concessions of 16% to bring us to the average compensation of Skywest pilots. In short, it was SKW who negatively affected XJT's bottom line and now they are having to deal with it. They broke it and now bought it. Which is why you don't find much sympathy with Inc on the LXJT side.

 

[Nevets]

Dude, I know all about ASA and their 5 years of negotiations. What I'm saying is, let's up the bar and go for 10 years of negotiations. It seems to be in your nature at XJT to one up everyone else. This would be a good start.

And my group is also currently going through pay negotations. You just don't see us on here airing our dirty laundry about it.

Negotiations? Bahahahahaha

You are stuck on five years just to make a silly point. My ONLY point is, why should we agree to anything concessionary for 5, 10, 20 years or whatever instead of keeping our current contract? I don't really get why a non-union dispatcher even gets in the middle of pilots dirty laundry anyway. You have nothing better to do than to poke your nose in other people's business? I mean really? Really?

 

[XPOO]

Nothing on our side. But you fail to mention that the CPA that Skywest Inc agreed to when buying ASA is that after five years they would only be paid the second lowest block hour of all the DCI carriers. They were headed to dramatic revenue loss and XJT had a new CPA for 35 aircraft with UAL and in the middle of negotiating another one with US Airways before Skywest put a stop to that. Then XJT enters the picture at precisely that five year mark. BR himself espoused how they would save about $60 million per year in synergy and economies of scale by merging the two airlines. And by the way, the reason why XJT was losing money is because SKW low balled the 2008 CPA that XJT inherited because they were able to offer a lower cost to CAL after assuming we would take concessions of 16% to bring us to the average compensation of Skywest pilots. In short, it was SKW who negatively affected XJT's bottom line and now they are having to deal with it. They broke it and now bought it. Which is why you don't find much sympathy with Inc on the LXJT side.

Which is exactly how JA wanted it. Again, your bottom line doesn't affect ours, so I don't care. We get paid well, get great bonus checks, benefits on five major carriers, and respected industry-wide. What have you got?

 

[XPOO]

Negotiations? Bahahahahaha

You are stuck on five years just to make a silly point. My ONLY point is, why should we agree to anything concessionary for 5, 10, 20 years or whatever instead of keeping our current contract? I don't really get why a non-union dispatcher even gets in the middle of pilots dirty laundry anyway. You have nothing better to do than to poke your nose in other people's business? I mean really? Really?

Yup, tough to imagine huh? Us non-union people actually negotiating our wages with management, which we do every three years. Doesn't cost me one dime.

Again, I don't care. Current contract sounds good to me. Case closed.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Which is exactly how JA wanted it. Again, your bottom line doesn't affect ours, so I don't care. We get paid well, get great bonus checks, benefits on five major carriers, and respected industry-wide. What have you got?

Umm they have cool ID's that tell the ladies at the local bar they are PILOTS... Didnt you see Top Gun?

 

[Dannone]

Just know Clutch doesn't speak for ASA pilots. How would he know if someone made $300,000? Should the Expressjet pilots apologize for not taking more of a cut? BTW I guarantee the only reason we are making money is because of the contract signed with United. Who does that flying? I am ASA and I am totally with the Epressjet pilots. Clutch sounds just like Obama spreading hate and making stuff up while pandering to the ignorant. Come with a real arguement. When you start calling names it just shows how you are out of ideas and or have no intelligence. The only way things get done is to meet in the middle. Goes for the country, a succesful marriage and our pilot groups. I love tough guys who make anonymous posts calling names without consequence. Add something useful or close your pie hole. It's like this, "well what are your ideas?" "Your a dick!" Where does that get us? Sounds like the debate were Romney makes an articulate arguement and Obama says "not true Governor." twenty times. Criticizing is not a plan!!

 

[Nevets]

Which is exactly how JA wanted it. Again, your bottom line doesn't affect ours, so I don't care. We get paid well, get great bonus checks, benefits on five major carriers, and respected industry-wide. What have you got?

You sound so naive. You don't get paid because of benevolence. You provide a service, a service your employer REQUIRES, and I'm sure you provide your service with great quality. That is why you get compensated. Not because JA or anyone else is Santa Clause on pay day. Trust me, if they felt they could pay you $5 less and have an effective service, they most certainly would. Bottom line right? That's what you said, the bottom line.

 

[Nevets]

Yup, tough to imagine huh? Us non-union people actually negotiating our wages with management, which we do every three years. Doesn't cost me one dime.

Again, I don't care. Current contract sounds good to me. Case closed.

I wasn't laughing about negotiations. I was laughing because you need leverage in order to negotiate and you don't have much. Didn't you just say that other employees are being asked for pay cuts? NOOOO, I'm sure that doesn't include your work group. I'm sure that your new pay and work rules will be way more than cost neutral. Yeah right. Cost neutral is what they want for the XJT pilots, which would be concessionary. So for you guys, if you could chose to stay with your current pay or take a concession, and you actually had the legal choice to do so (unlike at-will employees), which would you chose?

 

[Clutch]

I'm just going off what our union reps tell us. I'm on their side and I'm ready to end this constant bickering and get a new contract. The xjt guys are being unreasonable dicks.

 

[Nevets]

I'm just going off what our union reps tell us. I'm on their side and I'm ready to end this constant bickering and get a new contract. The xjt guys are being unreasonable dicks.

So you are just a parrot. Gotcha, that explains why you cannot answer the simple question.

 

[Dannone]

funny how someone who says they want to end bickering keeps calling them dicks

 

[Clutch]

So you are just a parrot. Gotcha, that explains why you cannot answer the simple question.

I'm a line pilot. Not a parrot. I talk to my reps. They say you guys are prepared to burn the place down before accepting pbs or anything less than an unreasonable contract. Continue to use your numbers against us; I will continue to call you what you are.

 

[XPOO]

I wasn't laughing about negotiations. I was laughing because you need leverage in order to negotiate and you don't have much. Didn't you just say that other employees are being asked for pay cuts? NOOOO, I'm sure that doesn't include your work group. I'm sure that your new pay and work rules will be way more than cost neutral. Yeah right. Cost neutral is what they want for the XJT pilots, which would be concessionary. So for you guys, if you could chose to stay with your current pay or take a concession, and you actually had the legal choice to do so (unlike at-will employees), which would you chose?

Oh, you worked in the SkyWest OCC before? I guess you would know more than I would then.

 

[belchfire]

Looks like they're short an RJ though...

 

[Nevets]

I'm a line pilot. Not a parrot. I talk to my reps. They say you guys are prepared to burn the place down before accepting pbs or anything less than an unreasonable contract. Continue to use your numbers against us; I will continue to call you what you are.

If you are not a parrot then why did you repeat an untruth from your rep that someone makes $300k by picking up 200%? Like I said, its been over a year since we've seen 200% and very very sporadic and selective 150%.

Anyway, this isn't about numbers. NOTHING has gone out to ratification so how can we use our numbers against you? Or are ou parroting that as well? Some of us are prepared to burn our side down but probably most aren't. But why would any of us agree to a contract that is reasonable to you that would be a concession to us?

Can you answer my question? Yes or no?

 

[Nevets]

Oh, you worked in the SkyWest OCC before? I guess you would know more than I would then.

No, never have. But its apparent that I do know more than you in this case.

 

[Clutch]

If you are not a parrot then why did you repeat an untruth from your rep that someone makes $300k by picking up 200%? Like I said, its been over a year since we've seen 200% and very very sporadic and selective 150%.

Anyway, this isn't about numbers. NOTHING has gone out to ratification so how can we use our numbers against you? Or are ou parroting that as well? Some of us are prepared to burn our side down but probably most aren't. But why would any of us agree to a contract that is reasonable to you that would be a concession to us?

Can you answer my question? Yes or no?

Yes I can.


You wouldn't. Because you are unreasonable.

 

[dojetdriver]

You'd have to ask Steven

His name isn't Steven. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with you're ignorant and simply DON'T know. As opposed to being stupid and doing the same thing over and over again. And being wrong the entire time.

I don't follow their contract

Don't follow the ERJ contract? Maybe someone should put an end to that ignorance via self help.

but it has something to do with being able to drop trips and pick up premium open time trips at 200%.

As has been mentioned, there wasn't ANYWHERE near enough 200% offered. I don't even think the most senior charter wh0res could of pulled that much.

Seriously, $300,000 for real? How is that even possible??

See the above. We did have a few months where pilots pulled 200 hrs credit. But do the math, even if it was all year long it STILL wouldn't hit 300K.

and respected industry-wide. What have you got?

A regional airline "respected industry-wide"?. That's kind of like a pimp having a reliable prostitute that does whatever he wants whenever he wants. It's simply a business tool, there's not respect there. Neither by the customer nor the pimp.

I'm just going off what our union reps tell us

So you say you know for a fact some guy pulled 300K, now you're saying you just go by what your reps tell you?

I'm ready to end this constant bickering and get a new contract. The xjt guys are being unreasonable dicks.

Like another guy said. If you want to end the bickering maybe stop calling people dicks. And when done with that, go read the ERJ CBA.

 

[Clutch]

Oh look. The scissor sisters

 

[Nevets]

Yes I can.


You wouldn't. Because you are unreasonable.

They question was for the umpteenth time, WHY would it be unreasonable to agree to any concession? Can you answer that simple question? And if you can, explain your answer please.

 

[dojetdriver]

Because you are unreasonable.

Would it be unreasonable to ask you to familiarize yourself with the ERJ contract? That way you'd AT LEAST have an understanding or what unreasonable REALLY is.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

This thread is exhausting... . But that's great that we made some money.

 

[007]

I am curious, what in Clutch's mind, would not be unreasonable. A staple probably.