Skyteam Airlines to launch CDG-MSP

[i fly boxes]

Skyteam Airlines - Operated by Air France
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/travel/175471181.html?refer=y

I give it 10 years before Legacy pilots will once again have to act like regional pilots and keep their costs low so that Skyteam or One world will give them more flying.
Then if you are at a regional you could do a double outsource.
Welcome aboard skyteam airlines operated by Delta, and then operated further by Go Jet.

 

[General Lee]

Skyteam Airlines - Operated by Air France
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/travel/175471181.html?refer=y

I give it 10 years before Legacy pilots will once again have to act like regional pilots and keep their costs low so that Skyteam or One world will give them more flying.
Then if you are at a regional you could do a double outsource.
Welcome aboard skyteam airlines operated by Delta, and then operated further by Go Jet.

No, not really. First of all, this AF flight is in addition to the daily DL nonstop flight from MSP to CDG. The DL flight leaves 4 hours earlier, whereas the AF flight leaves around 8pm, arriving later for different connections in Paris. AF has actually given more flying to DL than they have taken. The above flight is Summer only to MSP, while they have transferred SEA to CDG to DL (daily), ORD to CDG (Wintertime), daily EWR to CDG (year round starting this upcoming Summer), and DL has added a DTW to CDG alongside the AF flight there. Next Summer DL will have 4 daily flights from ATL to CDG, one from BOS to CDG, PIT to CDG, and PHL to CDG also (those 3 Summertime only). And AF just announced the CNX of Tahiti to LAX, which may lead to a possible DL flight. Btw, Europe yields overall are down due to their worse recession, and DL has transferred a lot of assets towards Asia and South America.

Even before we had a big codeshare with AF/KL, the DL Wintertime flying to Europe was always pared down. The DL JFK ER operation reduced flights to maybe twice or three times a week to some European cities. It was great if you wanted a 72 hour layover, but this airline makes the most money during the 2nd and 3rd quarter (Spring and Summer). That is when most European flights go back to Daily. (recently announced JFK to Stockholm will come back during that time, and daily JFK to Iceland (KEF))
That is how it works. During the Winter, DL likes to shift planes elesewhere, like South America (A330s that were doing Europe this last Summer now will go ATL to Buenos Aires, for example).



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[KarmaPolice]

KLM/AF pilots are better compensated than Delta Pilots. And check out how much vacation they get! Our labor group is by far a cheaper option.

 

[jonjuan]

KLM/AF pilots are better compensated than Delta Pilots. And check out how much vacation they get! Our labor group is by far a cheaper option.

You ever seen the taxes over there? 75% top rate. Of course, we appear to be headed that way if you know who gets elected.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

http://www.kentingtons.com/downloads/Kentingtons_Tax_Rates.pdf

Taxes in France and other European countries is based on the level of income as it is supposed to be here in the US. Every time I read somebody making the excuse that the higher salaries of other pilots in first world countries is higher because the taxes they pay it really makes me laugh, like if AF management agreed to pay them more because they felt bad of how much taxes they pay, or is it because their pilots don't believe the nonesense that the lowest cost of the airline is the reason why they don't make a profit, hum?

 

[KarmaPolice]

You ever seen the taxes over there? 75% top rate. Of course, we appear to be headed that way if you know who gets elected.

I've lived there and have a good idea of what they pay vs. us, and what they get from their taxes vs. what we get from ours.

But even AFTER taxes they still make more than we do, and they get a lot more value from their tax dollar (in my opinion).

 

[StopNTSing]

...and they get a lot more value from their tax dollar (in my opinion).

Well then be sure to pull the handle in two weeks for Obama, because he needs another four years to complete our transformation into another France.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Well then be sure to pull the handle in two weeks for Obama, because he needs another four years to complete our transformation into another France.

Personally I'd be happy with being another Germany/Norway/Sweden.

 

[StopNTSing]

Personally I'd be happy with being another Germany/Norway/Sweden.

Then move there.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Well then be sure to pull the handle in two weeks for Obama, because he needs another four years to complete our transformation into another France.

And if Obama is elected, you'll move, right? Pffft.

 

[StopNTSing]

And if Obama is elected, you'll move, right? Pffft.

Where would I go? Most everywhere else is already much closer to Socialism. We're the lone holdout.

 

[dalad]

Where would I go? Most everywhere else is already much closer to Socialism. We're the lone holdout.

No, we're the most taxed socialist nation in the world. How much do you pay in total tax? Sales, property, state, local, car tags, Social Security, Medicare, then Federal.

 

[The Drizzle]

No, we're the most taxed socialist nation in the world. How much do you pay in total tax? Sales, property, state, local, car tags, Social Security, Medicare, then Federal.

Freedom isn't free.

http://i.imgur.com/sGJyo.jpg

 

[GogglesPisano]

Then move there.

I'd rather change here, it's cheaper.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Well then be sure to pull the handle in two weeks for Obama, because he needs another four years to complete our transformation into another France.

Spoken from another guy who thinks he's not middle class.

Hate to break it to you, but we are no different than a railway worker in 1865, we just don't carry a pick axe......

 

[Dornier 335]

Hate to break it to you, but we are no different than a railway worker in 1865, we just don't carry a pick axe......

I don' think railway workers back then were as "kind" to people who crossed the line.

You ever seen the taxes over there? 75% top rate. Of course, we appear to be headed that way if you know who gets elected.

Not sure if things recently changed, but both France and Portugal are very pilot friendly. They offer the lowest tax rates in Europe, and it "might" even be a lower effective tax rate than here in the US.

 

[General Lee]

I don' think railway workers back then were as "kind" to people who crossed the line.



Not sure if things recently changed, but both France and Portugal are very pilot friendly. They offer the lowest tax rates in Europe, and it "might" even be a lower effective tax rate than here in the US.

Portugal is pushing their own people to seek out work in Portugese colonies, like Brazil and Angola. France has a leader that now taxes anyone who makes over $1 million Euros at 75%, and people are leaving in droves. Europe is collapsing on itself.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dornier 335]

I was writing about being taxed as a pilot. Not about general blabla.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I don' think railway workers back then were as "kind" to people who crossed the line.



Not sure if things recently changed, but both France and Portugal are very pilot friendly. They offer the lowest tax rates in Europe, and it "might" even be a lower effective tax rate than here in the US.

Agreed, but if you think whichever idiot we get in office can unilaterally change the tax code, we are mistaken.

It takes all the village idiots in congress to fix it.

 

[StopNTSing]

Spoken from another guy who thinks he's not middle class.

Hate to break it to you, but we are no different than a railway worker in 1865, we just don't carry a pick axe......

Bill, I've always realized I'm middle class (okay, maybe upper-middle class). It's the 'Bamster who insists I'm "rich" every time he gets in front of a teleprompter.

 

[Smarta$$]

Bill, I've always realized I'm middle class (okay, maybe upper-middle class). It's the 'Bamster who insists I'm "rich" every time he gets in front of a teleprompter.

Under the Presidents tax plan, how much approximately would your tax increase be?

 

[jonjuan]

Under the Presidents tax plan, how much approximately would your tax increase be?

For gods sake, turn off rachael mad cow.

 

[GogglesPisano]

For gods sake, turn off rachael mad cow.

The guy asks a legitimate question, and you accuse him of being influenced by a TV pundit? Talk about partisanship.

 

[Smarta$$]

For gods sake, turn off rachael mad cow.

I want to know what he estimates his tax increase to be. In response to your post towards me, you are the LAST one who should talk about being influenced by your favorite "media".

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

True....

Somebody show me where my taxes went up over the last 4 years?? They went down....Payroll tax on Hiatus.....Mutt didn't build THAT!

Cue "but the debt..." fear mongers in 3.....2......1......

(Psst.....end 2 wars, and you suddenly have cash)

 

[SWA Bubba]

Under the Presidents tax plan, how much approximately would your tax increase be?

Don't know how this turned to politics (but it always seems to), but I'll take a shot at this...

Under President Obama's plan, most if not all SWA Captains, and not a few FOs will pay more in Federal income tax. That's due to increases in marginal tax rates for those individuals making >$200k, and married making >$250k. That's the basic tax increase that is visible to everyone and talked about every time the President speaks or Gov Romney speaks about the President. However, that's not all.

What is less talked-about, are additional tax increases that affect not only those "millionaires and billionaires," as the President refers to us, but most other Americans as well. For instance, the President desires to tax capital gains at ordinary income rates (any one who has mutual funds will feel a tax increase). In Obamacare, there are all sorts of hidden tax increases that we'll all feel in the coming years. Interest income will be taxed at higher rates (talk about killing the incentive to save or invest!), if you have a good health insurance plan that your union negotiated as part of your compensation, you will pay a "cadlillac health plan tax," in the form of imputed income, because you have a better health care plan than the government feels is "fair." If you sell your house (to move, for instance), you will pay a 3-point-something percent sales tax on the sales price (not the gain, if there even is any) to help pay for Obamacare. Yet to be determined is if you make a gain on the sale. Right now, you're tax-exempt on the first $250k/$500k (single/married), but no one will even talk about whether that gain is included in the President's plan to up the taxes on capital gains. Those are the first few that I can think of, but you can bet there'll be more. The bigger your bureaurocracy, the more you have to pay to feed it.

When the President talks about "no tax increases for the middle class," he is: a) not talking about us, because his definition of middle class is diffferent than ours (I consider myself upper middle class while the President considers me a millionaire); and b) only referring to direct federal income tax. Unless you subsist solely on entitlements (or literally live paycheck-to-paycheck in a rental, with no savings or investing of any kind), you WILL pay more tax to the feds under President Obama's plans, in one way or another.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

True....

Somebody show me where my taxes went up over the last 4 years?? They went down....Payroll tax on Hiatus.....Mutt didn't build THAT!

Cue "but the debt..." fear mongers in 3.....2......1......

(Psst.....end 2 wars, and you suddenly have cash)

While it's true that if you end two wars, you have more cash, but the payroll tax hiatus was a political stunt. It was a one-time (okay, two-time) reduction on your SSI withholding. It was billed as a "stimulus" to the economy, but really was to make the government look good in tough times, like they're doing something substantive. It averaged about $250/year for the average household.

Your taxes haven't gone up in the last 4 years, not because the President didn't want to, but because he didn't have the political power to do so in the economy we were in. Trust me, Bill, you're exactly the type of person that the President wants to pay more taxes, when he is able to make it stick.

Bubba

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Let's see......best economy in recent history....late 90's.

Tax rate was pretty high but economy boomed.

Fast forward to today......more tax cuts are going to do the same AND reduce the deficit....sorry.....not buying what's being sold.

You really think Mutt is going to worry about us (Union employees) going forward? Sorry......again not buying it!

 

[SWA Bubba]

Let's see......best economy in recent history....late 90's.

Tax rate was pretty high but economy boomed.

Fast forward to today......more tax cuts are going to do the same AND reduce the deficit....sorry.....not buying what's being sold.

You really think Mutt is going to worry about us (Union employees) going forward? Sorry......again not buying it!

Here I agree with you wholeheartedly. I don't think Gov Romney is going to worry or care about us and our unions (other than his stated promise to not raise the marginal tax rate, and to get rid of Obamacare and its hidden taxes). However, if you really think that President Obama cares about you because you're in a union, than you've got on rosier glasses than anyone else. Airline pilots are not a big enough group for him to spend any political capital on, and make too much money for anyone to feel sorry for. His only interest in you Bill (and all of us), is to tax us more on our "millionaire's" salaries. He's already said that for the record.

Bubba

 

[Smarta$$]

Don't know how this turned to politics (but it always seems to), but I'll take a shot at this...

Under President Obama's plan, most if not all SWA Captains, and not a few FOs will pay more in Federal income tax. That's due to increases in marginal tax rates for those individuals making >$200k, and married making >$250k. That's the basic tax increase that is visible to everyone and talked about every time the President speaks or Gov Romney speaks about the President. However, that's not all.

What is less talked-about, are additional tax increases that affect not only those "millionaires and billionaires," as the President refers to us, but most other Americans as well. For instance, the President desires to tax capital gains at ordinary income rates (any one who has mutual funds will feel a tax increase). In Obamacare, there are all sorts of hidden tax increases that we'll all feel in the coming years. Interest income will be taxed at higher rates (talk about killing the incentive to save or invest!), if you have a good health insurance plan that your union negotiated as part of your compensation, you will pay a "cadlillac health plan tax," in the form of imputed income, because you have a better health care plan than the government feels is "fair." If you sell your house (to move, for instance), you will pay a 3-point-something percent sales tax on the sales price (not the gain, if there even is any) to help pay for Obamacare. Yet to be determined is if you make a gain on the sale. Right now, you're tax-exempt on the first $250k/$500k (single/married), but no one will even talk about whether that gain is included in the President's plan to up the taxes on capital gains. Those are the first few that I can think of, but you can bet there'll be more. The bigger your bureaurocracy, the more you have to pay to feed it.

When the President talks about "no tax increases for the middle class," he is: a) not talking about us, because his definition of middle class is diffferent than ours (I consider myself upper middle class while the President considers me a millionaire); and b) only referring to direct federal income tax. Unless you subsist solely on entitlements (or literally live paycheck-to-paycheck in a rental, with no savings or investing of any kind), you WILL pay more tax to the feds under President Obama's plans, in one way or another.

Bubba

Oh good God, I KNOW what the marginal tax rate plan is, I want to know what he, or you estimate your additional federal income taxes to be?

And by the way, most people who own mutual funds do so in a tax deferred 401k or IRA, and would not experience ANY tax increase related to capital gains. Your statement is plain inaccurate.