Delta reduction

[wms]

http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?docId=1376-MC3WOW0UQVI901-591RICAVEF3S92PO7R48N37JKU

 

[E120ASA]

And If Obama wins expect more. They are waiting to see what happens. No new hires for awhile if moron wins again.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Good grief. You're turning this into a political thread? Really?

I can't hired by Delta -- and it's all Obama's fault.:bawling:

Things are looking up here. Way up. New hires will be on the property next year. Debt is being paid down, and the 717's are net growth aircraft. Look for a widebody order next year.

Turn off the right-wing radio.

 

[bri5150]

Hmmmm, shrinking mainline and growing regionals? Whoda thunk?

 

[nwaf16dude]

Hmmmm, shrinking mainline and growing regionals? Whoda thunk?

Exactly backwards

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Hmmmm, shrinking mainline and growing regionals? Whoda thunk?

Did you even read the article?

 

[Whine Lover]

Exactly backwards

Unless that's EXACTLY the way you WANT IT....To lower Labor Costs and provide a product that the General Public is clueless about.

"Delta would add the new regional jets under a new pilot contract that allows for more of those smaller models, Anderson said."

WL

 

[bri5150]

Did you even read the article?

I skimmed it and read 3% Delta reduction, mostly international, and a deal for 70 more 76 seaters. I must have missed something. Oh well.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

I skimmed it and read 3% Delta reduction, mostly international, and a deal for 70 more 76 seaters. I must have missed something. Oh well.

You did:

"The capacity cut will be in a range of 1 percent to 3 percent..."

"The biggest piece of the savings plan comes from getting rid of aging aircraft on U.S. routes and replacing 50-seat jets with larger models, Jacobson said. Trading out the small planes for used Boeing Co. 717s being bought from Southwest Airlines Co. and new Boeing 737-900ERs will reduce operating costs and put higher-fare business-class seats on more of Delta’s fleet."

 

[General Lee]

Hmmmm, shrinking mainline and growing regionals? Whoda thunk?

Say what? Take away 200+ 50 seaters, add 70 76 seaters on the regional side. Add 88 717s and 25 MD90s, and dump 17 DC9s for mainline. Sub 100 new 739ERs for an equal amount of older 757s, A320s, and some domestic 767-300s. So, minus 17 DC9s for mainline, and minus 148 total RJs for DCI. You are wrong.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I skimmed it and read 3% Delta reduction, mostly international, and a deal for 70 more 76 seaters. I must have missed something. Oh well.

Thanks Candy Crowly from CNN! Genius!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Beetle007]

And If Obama wins expect more. They are waiting to see what happens. No new hires for awhile if moron wins again.

Remember in 2006 when Bush's DOT tried to allow foreign airlines to control U.S. Airlines and congress had to block the DOT http://www.unitedafa.org/assets/pop/print.aspx?id=4314

As soon as someone like Emirates buys someone like Delta, you can forget about a U.S. legacy airline job. Legacies will become feeders to large foreign owned international airlines flown by the lowest paid non-union pilots they can find. If we are lucky they might let us apply for a job after they are done giving first preference to pilots from their own country. When the DOT lets those foreign airlines fly within the United States (the stated goal of the EU), then you might as well give up on being a pilot based in the United States. All pilots will be based in the countries with the worst labor laws.

Last month the European Union began another fight to get us to change our airline ownership rules.

 

[KNOTS]

Well, people can still apply to work at the refinery I guess.

 

[General Lee]

Well, people can still apply to work at the refinery I guess.

Are you going for the lav dumping position in Minot?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Remember in 2006 when Bush's DOT tried to allow foreign airlines to control U.S. Airlines and congress had to block the DOT http://www.unitedafa.org/assets/pop/print.aspx?id=4314

As soon as someone like Emirates buys someone like Delta, you can forget about a U.S. legacy airline job. Legacies will become feeders to large foreign owned international airlines flown by the lowest paid non-union pilots they can find. If we are lucky they might let us apply for a job after they are done giving first preference to pilots from their own country. When the DOT lets those foreign airlines fly within the United States (the stated goal of the EU), then you might as well give up on being a pilot based in the United States. All pilots will be based in the countries with the worst labor laws.

Last month the European Union began another fight to get us to change our airline ownership rules.

Quit smoking the pipe. Ownership rules here in the States are influenced by Congress, who are influenced by votes in their districts. If an area could lose jobs due to a foreign buy, it would be trounced on by those local Congressmen and Senators. Very unlikely.

And, each union contract has ownership rules. This last DL contract had a provision for the company to oppose foreign ownership.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Beetle007]

If an area could lose jobs due to a foreign buy, it would be trounced on by those local Congressmen and Senators. Very unlikely.

Bye Bye---General Lee

I hope you are correct but ALPA seems to be very concerned about it. ALPA fought a large battle on the issue in 2006 but now the European Union is fighting back again.

Here is the timeline for the 2006 battle: https://crewroom.alpa.org/DesktopMo...View.aspx?itemid=4505&ModuleId=1316&Tabid=256

What will the timeline look like for the 2013 battle? Will it depend on who is elected President?

 

[General Lee]

I hope you are correct but ALPA seems to be very concerned about it. ALPA fought a large battle on the issue in 2006 but now the European Union is fighting back again.

Here is the timeline for the 2006 battle: https://crewroom.alpa.org/DesktopMo...View.aspx?itemid=4505&ModuleId=1316&Tabid=256

What will the timeline look like for the 2013 battle? Will it depend on who is elected President?

I doubt it. Local Congressmen and Senators can always get involved. The 3 big legacies aren't as cash strapped (even AA/US) as they used to be. I do think it is good to be aware of this potential, and Moak is bringing it up for a reason. Europe is hurting financially, and maybe that is why they are investigating this. Several European airlines have gone away in the last year or two, like Malev in Hungary and Spanair in Spain. They are hurting. Not so much here overall.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Smarta$$]

And If Obama wins expect more. They are waiting to see what happens. No new hires for awhile if moron wins again.

You are an idiot.

 

[Redtailer]

And If Obama wins expect more. They are waiting to see what happens. No new hires for awhile if moron wins again.

So exactly how many major airline jobs were created during the Bush era again? Not nearly as many as there were lost! Careful how you speak....

If you are going to try and pin pilot jobs to Obama then at least get your facts straight. Under this "moron" we have had more growth in the major airline biz than in the previous 8 years combined.

 

[Beetle007]

And If Obama wins expect more. They are waiting to see what happens. No new hires for awhile if moron wins again.

Pilot jobs and salary growth did just fine under 8 years of Clinton.

In fact, I was furloughed during Bush's first term and my airline told me it was due to the fact that they thought Bush was going to invade Iraq which would cause the economy to slow down. Management was doing preemptive job cuts.

 

[jonjuan]

Pilot jobs and salary growth did just fine under 8 years of Clinton.

In fact, I was furloughed during Bush's first term and my airline told me it was due to the fact that they thought Bush was going to invade Iraq which would cause the economy to slow down. Management was doing preemptive job cuts.

So quit listening to management. "My airline told me......". Love the lemmings who buy into this.

 

[SplitBar]

I skimmed it and read 3% Delta reduction, mostly international, and a deal for 70 more 76 seaters. I must have missed something. Oh well.

Most of the reduction is the parking of the 50 seaters. This is old news announced several months ago.

 

[bluesideup1]

Pilot jobs and salary growth did just fine under 8 years of Clinton.

In fact, I was furloughed during Bush's first term and my airline told me it was due to the fact that they thought Bush was going to invade Iraq which would cause the economy to slow down. Management was doing preemptive job cuts.

Ya, the slowdown in the airlines probably had nothing to due with 4 jets being hijacked with two slamming into the world trade centers.

The lack of intelligence on how this was going to happen is a direct result of Clintons pulling assets out of the field. Instead he tried to gather intelligence by satellites and we all see how well that worked.

Lets also not forget the multiple chances that Clinton had to kill Bin Laden or the lack of response from the first trade center bombings by al qaeda.

 

[KNOTS]

nvr mind political and pointless to debate

 

[SIG600]

Ya, the slowdown in the airlines probably had nothing to due with 4 jets being hijacked with two slamming into the world trade centers.

The lack of intelligence on how this was going to happen is a direct result of Clintons pulling assets out of the field. Instead he tried to gather intelligence by satellites and we all see how well that worked.

Lets also not forget the multiple chances that Clinton had to kill Bin Laden or the lack of response from the first trade center bombings by al qaeda.

It was also Clinton that repealed Glass-Steagall which really put the wheels in motion for the 2008 collapse. As well the Clinton administrations mandated mortgage lending to certain individual economic classes.

 

[eaglesview]

And If Obama wins expect more. They are waiting to see what happens. No new hires for awhile if moron wins again.

Think cabatoge, then rethink your position.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Remember in 2006 when Bush's DOT tried to allow foreign airlines to control U.S. Airlines and congress had to block the DOT http://www.unitedafa.org/assets/pop/print.aspx?id=4314

As soon as someone like Emirates buys someone like Delta, you can forget about a U.S. legacy airline job. Legacies will become feeders to large foreign owned international airlines flown by the lowest paid non-union pilots they can find. If we are lucky they might let us apply for a job after they are done giving first preference to pilots from their own country. When the DOT lets those foreign airlines fly within the United States (the stated goal of the EU), then you might as well give up on being a pilot based in the United States. All pilots will be based in the countries with the worst labor laws.

Last month the European Union began another fight to get us to change our airline ownership rules.

There's someone whose eyes are open!

The minute the airline infrastructure starts to crumble (one or two airlines carrying 1/3 of the US passenger load) you'll see the government drop foreign ownership rules rather than jump in with a taxpayer bailout of one of the most despised industries in America.

There's no place to safely hide your featherbed anymore!

 

[SIG600]

The US Gov't has gone so far as to make it illegal to 'participate' in the EU's Carbon ETS (which is a total scam anyway, and another form of fiat currency but thats another discussion all together). I can't see them supporting foreign ownership.

 

[jetflier]

Just chiming in on Dem vs Republicans, President Carter signed the deregulation act, adversely affecting the airline pilot profession. He is a Dem.

So, the Dem party is not always the friend of airline pilots/ Just saying...

 

[Lear70]

Just chiming in on Dem vs Republicans, President Carter signed the deregulation act, adversely affecting the airline pilot profession. He is a Dem.

So, the Dem party is not always the friend of airline pilots/ Just saying...

Shhhhh... This is Flightinfo. There's no place for truth and realism here.

That said, they're basically knocking on the door to screw with the last bastion of our profession: Legacy international flying.

Once that's gone, there will be no more "brass ring". The best you will be able to hope for is to top out somewhere around $150k a year as a 757/767 Captain flying coast to coast and down to the islands; certainly not worth sinking $50k-100k for your own training costs coming out of High School, spending 10-15 years shlepping at a Regional for $18k-45k a year, then MAYBE making it to a Major. Or what's left of one.

Support ALPA-PAC or CAPA-PAC as if your career depends on it, because... it does.