Can Someone Shed More Light Here?

[jonjuan]

bubba,
Is swa a better place to work bc Herb's a democrat?

I love when swa pilots enjoy a company that espouses caring about people, sharing profits, and creating a hard working luving company instead of paycuts and disproportionate bonuses take those ethics for granted.
There are a lot of republicans you could have chosen to work for.
Why did you choose Herb's 'socialist' agenda to dedicate your career to?

Sorry, but u don't work for herb.

 

[SWA Bubba]

bubba,
Is swa a better place to work bc Herb's a democrat?

I love when swa pilots enjoy a company that espouses caring about people, sharing profits, and creating a hard working luving company instead of paycuts and disproportionate bonuses take those ethics for granted.
There are a lot of republicans you could have chosen to work for.
Why did you choose Herb's 'socialist' agenda to dedicate your career to?

SWA is a great place to work, NOT because "Herb's a democrat," but because Herb is a compassionate visionary (and unique business genius) who created a unique company in our industry. He did what he did because of who he is, not who he voted for. Your argument seems to be, since "Herb's a democrat," then we should also vote for democrats. To that I could respond, well Lincoln (a much bigger and more important visionary than Herb) was a republican, so we should vote for republicans. The bottom line is, I don't vote for anyone because of who someone else voted for, and I recommend that nobody else should do that either.

And besides, as you know, there's a world of difference between President Obama and Herb Kelleher (just as there's a world of difference between your average republican-voting pilot, and a right-wing extremist). Herb's "socialist agenda" doesn't include taxing and regulating every aspect of our lives, recklessly spending money he doesn't have, and promoting government policies that stifle business and innovation. President Obama's "socialist agenda" does exactly that. Herb in his day, was the ultimate capitaist innovator; President Obama these days, seems to think that capitalism is a dirty word.

You know, you keep touting the whole "Herb's a democrat" thing to throw at Southwest pilots who disagree with your world view. But the truth of the matter is, that while Herb might be liberally socially, he is incredibly conservative fiscally. That, my friend is a very good thing. If Herb had run this airline the way President Obama is trying to run the economy, Southwest Airlines would have been bankrupt and gone long ago.

Bubba

 

[t-bone]

But the truth of the matter is, that while Herb might be liberally socially, he is incredibly conservative fiscally. That, my friend is a very good thing.

Bubba

I only wish we had a presidential candidate that fit this description. Doesn't it feel that a socially conservative POTUS can have just as much impact on ones life as a fiscally liberal? Albeit in different avenues of life, but intrusive none the less. Stay out of my wallet, and stay out of my house.

I work for a TPG-company, and I see little difference between TPG and Bain Capital...but I see that changes that have been made under our new ownership. Yes I'm incredibly thankful to have a company that is still in business and that I'm still gainfully employed, but that does not mean it has been all fun and games.

 

[dicko]

SWA is a great place to work, NOT because "Herb's a democrat," but because Herb is a compassionate visionary (and unique business genius) who created a unique company in our industry. He did what he did because of who he is, not who he voted for. Your argument seems to be, since "Herb's a democrat," then we should also vote for democrats. To that I could respond, well Lincoln (a much bigger and more important visionary than Herb) was a republican, so we should vote for republicans. The bottom line is, I don't vote for anyone because of who someone else voted for, and I recommend that nobody else should do that either.

And besides, as you know, there's a world of difference between President Obama and Herb Kelleher (just as there's a world of difference between your average republican-voting pilot, and a right-wing extremist). Herb's "socialist agenda" doesn't include taxing and regulating every aspect of our lives, recklessly spending money he doesn't have, and promoting government policies that stifle business and innovation. President Obama's "socialist agenda" does exactly that. Herb in his day, was the ultimate capitaist innovator; President Obama these days, seems to think that capitalism is a dirty word.

You know, you keep touting the whole "Herb's a democrat" thing to throw at Southwest pilots who disagree with your world view. But the truth of the matter is, that while Herb might be liberally socially, he is incredibly conservative fiscally. That, my friend is a very good thing. If Herb had run this airline the way President Obama is trying to run the economy, Southwest Airlines would have been bankrupt and gone long ago.

Bubba

You're still gonna vote for a guy - that's been shown in a US court to have engaged in illegal union busting activities. Firing pilots in order to sell a company.

You're still gonna vote for him aren't you ? Bubba.

 

[easydoesit]

Bottom line. The deficit under Obama has been increased MORE than during all of the other presidents terms COMBINED. You just can't teach stupid.

 

[dicko]

Bottom line. The deficit under Obama has been increased MORE than during all of the other presidents terms COMBINED. You just can't teach stupid.

Picture Romney running the show for the last term......

He is the living, breathing representation of every single one of the investment banks and Hedge Funds that helped us into this deficit. You're inviting the candy thief to guard the candy store.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Doesn't it feel that a socially conservative POTUS can have just as much impact on ones life as a fiscally liberal? Albeit in different avenues of life, but intrusive none the less.

Not as much of an impact in my life. In my opinion, the negatives of a liberal government FAR outweigh the negatives of a conservative government (while there are obviously positives and negatives to both). I personally don't have a problem with gay marriages, women's choices, etc. (those and other sterotypical "liberal" causes). And if a conservative politician doesn't agree with me on these issues, it doesn't affect me to the same degree. I.e. I'm not gay, and I'm past the age where couples normally reproduce. However, left-leaning economic policies and liberal ideas of how best to appropriate my money DO affect me greatly (as well as every other American, for that matter). Therefore, in my opinion, liberal politicians can do much more damage than conservative ones could.

And I agree with you, in that I wish we had such a candidate (liberal socially while conservative fiscally), because that's what -I- believe in personally. Much to Wave's chagrin, I'd bet that Herb would unhesitatingly vote for such a candidate. And until such a candidate appears--which will probably be never with the way our system works--I'll continue to vote for candidates whose overall package does the most good, and (even more importantly) the least bad, for me and the country. Regardless of which party that person claims.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

You're still gonna vote for a guy - that's been shown in a US court to have engaged in illegal union busting activities. Firing pilots in order to sell a company.

You're still gonna vote for him aren't you ? Bubba.

Dude, so far, I've only heard this from this forum and a single link that wouldn't come up on my computer. Not exactly the last word. If this is such a big story, how come it isn't on MSNBC (a left-leaning organization that would love to see Obama reelected if there ever was one)? And are you really trying to invite people to list all the possible connections President Obama has with individuals and entities tied to illegality? That would take a long time.

Bubba

 

[t-bone]

Not as much of an impact in my life. In my opinion, the negatives of a liberal government FAR outweigh the negatives of a conservative government (while there are obviously positives and negatives to both). I personally don't have a problem with gay marriages, women's choices, etc. (those and other sterotypical "liberal" causes). And if a conservative politician doesn't agree with me on these issues, it doesn't affect me to the same degree. I.e. I'm not gay, and I'm past the age where couples normally reproduce. However, left-leaning economic policies and liberal ideas of how best to appropriate my money DO affect me greatly (as well as every other American, for that matter). Therefore, in my opinion, liberal politicians can do much more damage than conservative ones could.

And I agree with you, in that I wish we had such a candidate (liberal socially while conservative fiscally), because that's what -I- believe in personally. Much to Wave's chagrin, I'd bet that Herb would unhesitatingly vote for such a candidate. And until such a candidate appears--which will probably be never with the way our system works--I'll continue to vote for candidates whose overall package does the most good, and (even more importantly) the least bad, for me and the country. Regardless of which party that person claims.

Bubba

I certainly can agree with you on that...monetary policy affects me more so than most of the liberal causes. But matters such as stem cell research could easily affect us all the minute we get sick with a disease that could have been cured had more money been devoted to research. That's just one example.

Now if SWA would ever call, we could continue this conversation over beers in LBB!

T-bone

 

[densoo]

People who make a lot of money and believe it's a result of their hard work (and years of qualifications) generally don't want to increase their taxes, especially when they see them going to things they don't believe in.

Regardless of one's politics, a lot more pilots will pay zero taxes under Romney because they won't have an income. Their job will have been outsourced from below to regionals and from above to joint venture.

 

[SWA717]

Picture Romney running the show for the last term......

He is the living, breathing representation of every single one of the investment banks and Hedge Funds that helped us into this deficit. You're inviting the candy thief to guard the candy store.

Oh please save us King Obama! Before they put us all in shackles. Boo hoo hoo!

 

[SWA Bubba]

Regardless of one's politics, a lot more pilots will pay zero taxes under Romney because they won't have an income. Their job will have been outsourced from below to regionals and from above to joint venture.

That's the best you got? Really? Do you know how much of President Obama's taxpayer "stimulus" money went overseas? Or to companies run by his donor cronies that are now bankrupt and out of business, that produced exactly nothing? Bain Capital, while not infallible, has a proven record of investing private capital and saving dozens of private compainies, and saving literally tens of thousands of private sector American jobs.

And why is it you think that raising taxes on everyone, including small businesses, and slapping on more regulations and layers of government bureauocracy is going to keep companies from outsourcing? It sounds more like incentive to outsource. The government cannot force a private company to not outsource any more than it can dictate how much it pays its officers. Those are the two main problems you guys keep harping on, right? How is raising taxes on individuals and small businesses (not to mention spending taxpayer money like it's going out of style) going to address those issues? That's an honest question, Densoo. Or Dicko, or anyone else, for that matter. How does that help? What is, or for that matter can, President Obama do to fix those particular "ills"? I'll tell you one thing--the way to fix problems with capitalism is NOT to slap socialism on top of it. But that seems to be the current administration's solution to just about everything.

Bubba

 

[PCL_128]

Picture Romney running the show for the last term......

He is the living, breathing representation of every single one of the investment banks and Hedge Funds that helped us into this deficit. You're inviting the candy thief to guard the candy store.

Damn, I hate it when I agree with you.

 

[PCL_128]

just as there's a world of difference between your average republican-voting pilot, and a right-wing extremist

Not that I've seen.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Not that I've seen.

Riiiiight. It's stupid comments like that that justify people also lumping all left-wingers in the same pile. I guess being a good liberal, you 'believe' that all of us Americans should just give all of our money to the government to dole back out to us (and others) as they see fit to do so, or rather if they see fit. Just like, as a good right-winger, the average pilot 'believes' that God has chosen white male Americans to lead the world in its righteous path. (Uh, that's all sarcasm, by the way.)

You are actually pretending that there's no difference? You really don't believe that someone can go along with liberal social causes, but not with liberal economic ideas? Really? You know, PCL, I have often disagreed with you, but it seems like you used to at least try to be reasonable and civil. I suppose those days are over.

Bubba