Can Someone Shed More Light Here?

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I suppose you want my gun next?

Only if I get to keep my sig.

But nice stereotype

 

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Yes I will, because the alternative is the distruction of this country.

We're you the 9:30 caller on hannity today?

If we survived bush, I'm sure we'll survive who we elect next

 

[SWA Bubba]

Only if I get to keep my sig.

But nice stereotype

Not just a stereotype. Attorney General Holder is already on record as saying that he believes that the 2nd amendment does NOT mean that individuals should be able to own guns. He believes (and there's anecdotal evidence, but to my knowledge, nothing publically stated, that President Obama agrees) that individuals should not be allowed to own guns.

Nice choice on the Sig, though. What do you have? It's hard to order one these days; everyone's buying them in the runup to the election.

BTW, I'm on vacation, so this is costing me (money AND drinking time), so I'll see you guys next week.

Bubba

 

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To Siberia with you and your political thread!

 

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Bubba- I wish I could say I have a 556, but it's a 226- nice gun though- it's my second sig- had a 220 I picked up from a friend when he upgraded to a beretta.

 

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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney both have softened their positions on gun restrictions over the years. As they expressed shock and sorrow over the bloodshed at a Colorado movie theater, neither suggested that tougher gun control could make a difference, a notion that has faded from political debate.

Romney signed a ban on assault weapons as Massachusetts governor. But as the presumptive Republican nominee, he now bills himself as the candidate who will protect gun owners' rights.

Obama called for reinstating the federal ban on assault weapons during his 2008 presidential campaign. But since his election, he hasn't sought to get that done or pushed other gun control proposals, either.

Neither man is likely to raise gun control as a campaign issue – beyond Romney's insistence that an Obama presidency is bad for gun owners. Both say they'll protect the Second Amendment right to bear arms. A look at the evolution of the candidates' positions and where they stand on guns:

OBAMA

1997-2004: As an Illinois state senator, Obama supports banning all forms of semiautomatic weapons and tighter state restrictions generally on firearms, including a failed effort to limit handgun purchases to one per month.

2005: In the U.S. Senate, Obama votes against protecting firearms makers and dealers from lawsuits over misuse of their products by others. The bill is signed into law by President George W. Bush.

2008: During his first presidential campaign, Obama supports a return to the federal ban on assault weapons, which began during the Clinton administration and expired under Bush. He also endorses requiring background checks for buyers at gun shows. The National Rifle Association attacks him as an anti-gun zealot – a stand the group continues to take today.

April 2008: Obama is criticized for elitism after sounding dismissive of gun owners in a talk to campaign donors. He said voters in struggling small towns in Middle America "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them" to explain their frustrations.


September 2008: Obama seeks to reassure gun owners: "I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. ... There are some common-sense gun safety laws that I believe in. But I am not going to take your guns away." Nonetheless, gun sales go up when Obama wins, apparently because of fear that new restrictions are imminent under his administration.

2009: As president, Obama signs a law allowing people to carry concealed weapons in the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and other national parks and wildlife refuges and another that lets people carry guns in their checked bags on Amtrak trains.

2010: The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence gives Obama a grade of "F" for failing to push even the gun restrictions he supported while campaigning.

2011: Obama says the shooting that severely wounded then-Rep. Gabriel Giffords, D-Ariz., and killed six people should lead to "a new discussion of how we can keep America safe for all our people." He calls for "sound and effective steps" to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, including strengthening background checks on gun buyers. But he's short on specifics, and the Obama administration hasn't proposed any new gun initiatives since then.

March 2012: Obama calls the fatal shooting of black teenager Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida "a tragedy," saying Americans should do some soul-searching and "examine the laws" to figure out why it happened. He hasn't called for any legal changes in response to the case, which mostly brought attention to some states' "stand your ground" laws making it easier for a shooter to claim self-defense. Indeed, most gun regulations are imposed by states. The primary federal law is the Brady law requiring background checks on firearms purchasers.

July 20: Obama says he's heartbroken by the Aurora, Colo., movie theater massacre and calls for Americans to unite in prayer for the victims: "If there's anything to take away from this tragedy it's the reminder that life is very fragile, our time here is limited and it is precious."

Asked whether the mass shooting should prompt a new review of gun laws, White House spokesman Jay Carney declines to comment beyond reiterating Obama's existing stance in support of "common-sense measures that protect Second Amendment rights of Americans, while ensuring that those who should not have guns under existing law do not get them."

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ROMNEY

1994: In his unsuccessful challenge to liberal Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Romney sounds moderate on guns, supporting an assault weapons ban and insisting, "I don't line up with the NRA."

2002: Running for governor of Massachusetts, Romney says he supports and will protect the state's "tough gun laws." The NRA gives his Democratic opponent a higher rating on gun-rights issues and makes no endorsement in the race.

2003: As governor, Romney upsets gun owners by signing a law that quadruples the state's gun-licensing fee – from $25 to $100 – as part of a widespread effort to eliminate the budget deficit.

2004: Romney signs a Massachusetts ban on assault weapons. He mollifies many gun rights advocates by coupling it with looser rules on gun licenses and an extension of the duration of licenses, reducing the effect of the earlier fee increase.

2005: Declares May 7 as "Right to Bear Arms Day" in Massachusetts.

2006: As he prepares for his first presidential run, Romney becomes a lifetime NRA member.

2007: While campaigning, Romney declares he sometimes hunts "small varmints" – a comment ridiculed by some as an awkward attempt to pander to pro-gun voters.

2008: In a Republican primary debate, Romney says he would have signed the federal assault weapons ban if it came to his desk as president, but he opposes any new gun legislation.

2011: Making his second presidential bid, Romney's campaigns on a promise to protect and promote the Second Amendment.

2012: Romney tells gun owners that Obama wants to erode their rights. "We need a president who will enforce current laws, not create new ones that only serve to burden lawful gun owners," Romney told the National Rifle Association's annual convention. "President Obama has not. I will."

 

[pilotyip]

Pilots who vote republican are f u c k i n g morons. We are labor.

yes you make up .0003 percentage (assuming 150K major airline union members) of the US voter population, the candidates will not chase those voters. Growth in the airline job market depends upon consumers of airline tickets having jobs. The present administration is a failure in this area.

 

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yes you make up .0003 percentage (assuming 150K major airline union members) of the US voter population, the candidates will not chase those voters. Growth in the airline job market depends upon consumers of airline tickets having jobs. The present administration is a failure in this area.

Name a republican administration where airline pilots did well

From what I can see, pilots and our companies are doing a lot better under Obama than they did under W. or does the Reagan line only apply to Carter?

 

[pilotyip]

Name a republican administration where airline pilots did well

From what I can see, pilots and our companies are doing a lot better under Obama than they did under W. or does the Reagan line only apply to Carter?

Eisenhower, great growth in airline industry, introduce jets, pay goes up, and age 60 retirement. Nixon, majors have record hiring boom, no college degree required, guys hired then never furloughed. Reagan, hiring boom anyone hired in 1983-84 never furloughed made major Captain in 5 years, been Captain ever since. It is clear the GOP destroyed our industry, but them Dem's did wonders. How about a Democratic President, Mr Cater gave us de-reg. Dem controlled congress gave age 65 in 2007. And airline growth under BO, what else can one say. Yea them Dem's have done wonders for our industry.

BTW Again back to .0003 of the US population, it does not motivate any politician to pursue the airline pilot votes. Besides compared to most Americans airline pilots are well paid.