Pinnacles future

[altimaklr]

Down to 41 CR9's in the next 24 months. Most 9E/9L FO's will be furloughed, the CA's will leave. The lifers and some FO's will stick around to the end, but eventually they will be disposed of like Comair. The XJ guys who think this will "be like the last CH11", or that we will be competitive with GoJet after CH11 with 8-18year captains and 5-10year FOs, are sadly mistaken.

 

[amcnd]

^^ that but they will have some 200's...

 

[xjhawk]

Down to 41 CR9's in the next 24 months. Most 9E/9L FO's will be furloughed, the CA's will leave. The lifers and some FO's will stick around to the end, but eventually they will be disposed of like Comair. The XJ guys who think this will "be like the last CH11", or that we will be competitive with GoJet after CH11 with 8-18year captains and 5-10year FOs, are sadly mistaken.

But if you talk to the union about our senior pay scales, TW says you cannot expect a guy who has put in 20+ years in at a company to go back to wages he made when he was 30. But apparently you can expect guys who have put in 10-15 years to be thrown out on the street. Right? Or you can ask why ALPA can negotiate a contract that directly takes planes from an ALPA carrier and awards their own company for giving those planes to a NON ALPA company.

I guess its Majors mean more than regionals and Ultra senior captains mean more than everyone else.

I am glad Delta pilots made a point by requiring 35% of all new hires to be made by ALPA carriers-but what the language should have said "35% of all new hires should be from the ALPA carriers who lost the CRJ's from the direct reduction caused in this contract." I am all for the reduction of the CRJ's-but for gods sake.......

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I'm shocked they put the 35% in. That is the same management that couldn't throw out the flow program fast enough.

 

[flyboyike]

I'm shocked they put the 35% in. That is the same management that couldn't throw out the flow program fast enough.

We'll see if they actually stick to it. I have my doubts.

 

[i fly boxes]

It's easy to stick to that that's only 3 out of every 10 guys flow throughs count

 

[flyboyike]

It's easy to stick to that that's only 3 out of every 10 guys flow throughs count

I know it's easy to stick to, I just don't think they will.

 

[filejw]

I know it's easy to stick to, I just don't think they will.

Ref the last hiring I was told they already do meet the contract quota .Was a bit of a free-be in the contract.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I'd bet the quota is met just by the flows alone, at least as long as the grandfathered Mesaba guys are included. Just another meaningless thing management used to swing a few extra votes from guys feeling bad about how the PWA would cause a large loss of jobs at DCI.

 

[jetflier]

I think it was put in the contract because ALPA national has the duty of fair representation for the affected pilots.

 

[Kaman]

Until ALPA changes with the industry and starts using professional negotiators it is a worthless bargaining agent.

 

[CRJ puppy]

I think it was put in the contract because ALPA national has the duty of fair representation for the affected pilots.

+1!!

This is EXACTLY why it is in there. Nothing more. Nothing less.

(Even is worded such, paraphrased, "...to offset any job loses caused by this PWA...")

 

[XJohXJ]

+1!!

This is EXACTLY why it is in there. Nothing more. Nothing less.

(Even is worded such, paraphrased, "...to offset any job loses caused by this PWA...")

Which, just to be sure to be sticking to the truth here, is absolute BS, as it will do no such thing.

ALPA is an utter failure as a labor union.

 

[flyboyike]

I think it was put in the contract because ALPA national has the duty of fair representation for the affected pilots.

Hmmm...if that were the case, then....never mind, not going to go there, not worth the nerve cells.

 

[Flyer1015]

So, how many of those Mesaba flowthroughs are going to change their minds and decide to flow up, now that 15-20 yrs seniority at the new Pinnacle is in jeopardy?