US Airways Becomes AMR Creditor

[JECKEL]

http://finance.yahoo...-231108379.html

 

[Lampshade]

The camels nose is in the tent all for $600,000.

 

[charlie2]

The camels nose is in the tent all for $600,000.

Ya really, The America West management team was so good to the AWA pilots (look at their current ALPA negotiated contract) I hope APA really understands who is really trying to buy them.

 

[BUDDHA145]

It's me but I promise I stop drinking!!

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[Old School 737]

It's me but I promise I stop drinking!!

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If I still worked there I would go to one of those brown bag lunch things ( if they still do them ) with that pic on my shirt!!!!

 

[becket]

Meaningless. 600k will buy them an email. To the bod which won't even be
opened.

 

[LearLove]

600K - great that's like 8 years of gross pay for me flushed down the toilet.

 

[AA717driver]

Ya really, The America West management team was so good to the AWA pilots (look at their current ALPA negotiated contract) I hope APA really understands who is really trying to buy them.

I don't think you really understand how f'ed up the AMR management really is.

I'll give anyone here control of AA in 2000 and let them run the airline for 12 years. Bet none of us would screw it up as bad as these a$$ clowns have.

'How do you build the sixth largest airline in the world? Start with the largest and let AMR run it.'

Doug Parker could have taken on AA in 2000 and run it as a hobby and done better, IMO.

TC

 

[aa73]

'How do you build the sixth largest airline in the world? Start with the largest and let AMR run it.'

:laugh:

 

[Daddy]

It is almost criminal how poorly AMR has been managed for the past 10 years. I don't blame APA for going with door number 2. I'm not sure the current US mgmt could do any worse than AMR. Monopolistic pricing power will be good for all of us and a rising tide lifts all boats. Let's hope the US easties go into this with an open mind.

 

[B-atch]

600K - great that's like 8 years of gross pay for me flushed down the toilet.

You make THAT much??

 

[St. Nic]

You make THAT much??

Lol. I was thinking the same thing! Must be a group 2 captain!

 

[cactusboy53]

Ya really, The America West management team was so good to the AWA pilots (look at their current ALPA negotiated contract) I hope APA really understands who is really trying to buy them.

Ummm, FYI....The term sheet / TA that is being inked is based on the current AWA contract (sans some of the GOOD stuff that we do have: 5:15/day, Full pay MECH, Full pay Cancel, Short Term Disability, etc.).

The contract that I currently work under NOW is pretty darned good. I would vote that same contract in w/ the term sheet rates in a NY minute. You can read the contract on Wings. You would get more information that way vs. listening to what your reps say (IMHO).

CB

 

[Flybywire44]

Ummm, FYI....The term sheet / TA that is being inked is based on the current AWA contract (sans some of the GOOD stuff that we do have: 5:15/day, Full pay MECH, Full pay Cancel, Short Term Disability, etc.).

The contract that I currently work under NOW is pretty darned good. I would vote that same contract in w/ the term sheet rates in a NY minute. You can read the contract on Wings. You would get more information that way vs. listening to what your reps say (IMHO).

CB

The term sheet at AMR is based on the current AWA contract?

Thats a very broad pilot-like-statement.

 

[charlie2]

Ummm, FYI....The term sheet / TA that is being inked is based on the current AWA contract (sans some of the GOOD stuff that we do have: 5:15/day, Full pay MECH, Full pay Cancel, Short Term Disability, etc.).

The contract that I currently work under NOW is pretty darned good. I would vote that same contract in w/ the term sheet rates in a NY minute. You can read the contract on Wings. You would get more information that way vs. listening to what your reps say (IMHO).

CB

Hey Eric! The NAC put together a 26 page slide show and briefed the BPR on June 7. It is on the USAPA web site but I'm gonna guess you can't access it, can you? Here are some of what is in that presentation. There is more to a contract than rates and this "Term Sheet" agreement makes every section except the rates worse. Medical cost higher, reserve guarantee lower, per diem lower (1.80 an hour), trip rig worse, sick bank worse, company paid life insurance worse, no min fleet/min utilization rates and others. Ya the rates are better but they are really low for the 81 to 118 seat aircraft (Capt TOS $124) and there is no language limiting the amount of 737 size (group 2) aircraft being replaced by the really low paying E195 type aircraft. Currently we have a min utilization rate in our contract and a few years ago the company violated it but we won the arbitration. My point is when it is already IN the contract and they violate it what do you think they will do if it's not? The term sheet is unacceptabe to us eastinfections.

 

[cactusboy53]

Hey Eric! The NAC put together a 26 page slide show and briefed the BPR on June 7. It is on the USAPA web site but I'm gonna guess you can't access it, can you? Here are some of what is in that presentation. There is more to a contract than rates and this "Term Sheet" agreement makes every section except the rates worse. Medical cost higher, reserve guarantee lower, per diem lower (1.80 an hour), trip rig worse, sick bank worse, company paid life insurance worse, no min fleet/min utilization rates and others. Ya the rates are better but they are really low for the 81 to 118 seat aircraft (Capt TOS $124) and there is no language limiting the amount of 737 size (group 2) aircraft being replaced by the really low paying E195 type aircraft. Currently we have a min utilization rate in our contract and a few years ago the company violated it but we won the arbitration. My point is when it is already IN the contract and they violate it what do you think they will do if it's not? The term sheet is unacceptabe to us eastinfections.

I be not Eric, Jack....sorry....Chuck.

I have not said that the term sheet is acceptable. I did say that much of the term sheet is based on the current AWA contract (specifically scheduling, PBS, vacation, etc.). The term sheet by itself is also not acceptable by the westicles. Holy crap we agree on something!

If the merger comes to fruition, the final product/contract will be the one that APA agrees to with LCC management. We have been advising APA and trying to convince them that there needs to be improvements (especially given what AMR has now agreed to in a TA and what the new Delta TA is). As such we are not in the drivers seat. Heck, we are only recently released from bondage in the trunk of the car.

I would vote for a TA that had my entire inclusive contract, 3 years to mature (avg of DL/UA) and the term sheet rates (with the exception of the E190/195 pay - needs to match JBLU) in a heartbeat.

Let us NOT forget that USAPA walked away from 27 CLOSED sections of a JCBA. When asked if they should adopt those closed sections and press on....."NO, we're gonna do it the USAPA way. We'll get a new TA in 90 days!" (that was over 4 years ago. USAPA = Winning!)

 

[charlie2]

I be not Eric, Jack....sorry....Chuck.

I have not said that the term sheet is acceptable. I did say that much of the term sheet is based on the current AWA contract (specifically scheduling, PBS, vacation, etc.). The term sheet by itself is also not acceptable by the westicles. Holy crap we agree on something!

If the merger comes to fruition, the final product/contract will be the one that APA agrees to with LCC management. We have been advising APA and trying to convince them that there needs to be improvements (especially given what AMR has now agreed to in a TA and what the new Delta TA is). As such we are not in the drivers seat. Heck, we are only recently released from bondage in the trunk of the car.

I would vote for a TA that had my entire inclusive contract, 3 years to mature (avg of DL/UA) and the term sheet rates (with the exception of the E190/195 pay - needs to match JBLU) in a heartbeat.

Let us NOT forget that USAPA walked away from 27 CLOSED sections of a JCBA. When asked if they should adopt those closed sections and press on....."NO, we're gonna do it the USAPA way. We'll get a new TA in 90 days!" (that was over 4 years ago. USAPA = Winning!)

Sorry you just look so much like him!

 

[cactusboy53]

Sorry you just look so much like him!

Look like Eric? Yea, if I lost 60 lbs & 12 years, visited the hair club for men and dyed it black. Need a new pair of glasses? :beer:

 

[Superbird]

At least usapa has their crack negotiators looking out for everyone's best interest. Diorio and Collelo should produce a POS in about, oh, ten to twelve years...? Are they really the best you've got? It doesn't really matter much as usapa is irrelevant.

Did you hear Delta pilots have another ALPA sponsored raise? I'd guess not, as the news wouldn't get past the usapa censors. Theyd rather continue to lead y'all around by the nose with promises of bigger carrots.

 

[scoreboardII]

all over Phoenix news that this is going down and new airline will be AA, dropping USair and moving to DFW.

 

[dollacrackho]

all over Phoenix news that this is going down and new airline will be AA, dropping USair and moving to DFW.

Not if Horton has anything to say about it. He's gonna delay this as much as possible until the creditors break his arms.

 

[dollacrackho]

Or on the other hand apparently the amr and lcc CEOs are meeting right now discussing a merger over oatmeal?

 

[dollacrackho]

http://www.thestreet.com/story/1164...n-merger-contract.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

hey look at that , doogie finally remembered he should probably talk to the us airways pilots.

 

[Flybywire44]

Look like Eric? Yea, if I lost 60 lbs & 12 years, visited the hair club for men and dyed it black. Need a new pair of glasses? :beer:

Cactusboy53,

What are your thoughts on Scope in APA's CLA and LBO?

We should not let the size of our contract aircraft nor the fixed number of them operating go beyond Delta's.

FYI, the LBO AMR has given APA uses a percentage based on narrow body fleet count (40% by 2017) and not a fixed number.

 

[OPECJet]

all over phoenix news that this is going down and new airline will be aa, dropping usair and moving to dfw.

coming soon to a pay-per-view channel near you........

Seniority Death Match 2013!!!!!!!!

Watch as USAPA and APA battle it out in this winner take nothing free for all of death, destruction, and maaaaaaayhemmmmmm!!!!!!!!!

We'll sell ya the whole seat but you'll only need tha edge.........

 

[charlie2]

coming soon to a pay-per-view channel near you........

Seniority Death Match 2013!!!!!!!!

Watch as USAPA and APA battle it out in this winner take nothing free for all of death, destruction, and maaaaaaayhemmmmmm!!!!!!!!!

We'll sell ya the whole seat but you'll only need tha edge.........

I think a furloughed pilot at AA should keep their date of hire and even though I'm not furloughed if they were hired before me they should be senior to me. No they wouldn't be able to bump me into a firlough but when they get recalled they should be above me in seniority. I would never take advantage of this to step ahead of another pilot because of the highly paid clerks at AA who mismanaged the company. Until a Herb Kelleher type person takes over our airlines and treats us with respect we have to recognize that the clerks are our enemies and we need to fight them and not join up with them against another pilot group.

 

[JudgeSmails218]

I think a furloughed pilot at AA should keep their date of hire and even though I'm not furloughed if they were hired before me they should be senior to me. No they wouldn't be able to bump me into a firlough but when they get recalled they should be above me in seniority. I would never take advantage of this to step ahead of another pilot because of the highly paid clerks at AA who mismanaged the company. Until a Herb Kelleher type person takes over our airlines and treats us with respect we have to recognize that the clerks are our enemies and we need to fight them and not join up with them against another pilot group.

So you think a pilot that was in AA indoc--never finished sim training, never did OE, never did a single revenue flight before they got furloughed due to 9/11 should go ahead of someone who's been on the property the last 5 years? I think LONGEVITY should count for something as well.

 

[The Drizzle]

So you think a pilot that was in AA indoc--never finished sim training, never did OE, never did a single revenue flight before they got furloughed due to 9/11 should go ahead of someone who's been on the property the last 5 years? I think LONGEVITY should count for something as well.

You forgot to add, "and has been working for a competitor of their original airline for the last 6 years."

 

[charlie2]

So you think a pilot that was in AA indoc--never finished sim training, never did OE, never did a single revenue flight before they got furloughed due to 9/11 should go ahead of someone who's been on the property the last 5 years? I think LONGEVITY should count for something as well.

I would consider that but stapling them because "they bring nothing to the table" is not something I would do...if I were King.

 

[charlie2]

You forgot to add, "and has been working for a competitor of their original airline for the last 6 years."

I know our employers "compete" as business's but why do we have to as pilots? If so we shouldn't even fake "unity" in unions...get rid of them save our dues and let upgrades be based on how well you know the boss or how good you kiss their behind. If US Crapways craps me out again and I take a job at a "competitor" to feed my family that makes me a bad man?