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You'll have a chance to prove it bill-
Until then DALPA are collective sellouts and I'll hold each and every member responsible of scope grows-
Get it?
No quarter for those who "say" they didn't vote for it
 
waveflyer said:
You'll have a chance to prove it bill-
Until then DALPA are collective sellouts and I'll hold each and every member responsible of scope grows-
Get it?
No quarter for those who "say" they didn't vote for it
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You keep tooting this horn. When, since the beginning of time, has SWAPA done anything to further the industry? Had 9/11 not happened would you still be on your high horse? Your "pay for type rating," to low benefits, low pay had done nothing but further bring this industry down the toilet. The only thing your group is responsible for is setting the new "low bar" for industry standard. Something to be proud of.
I'm glad you left Delta for Southwest and are proud of your new found employment. You should be. It's a great company. The tide is turning my little cocky friend, and people in glass houses should not throw stones. But to think you are any less sellouts is just plain old BS, and it's pretty tiring!
 
scoot 11 said:
you keep tooting this horn. When, since the beginning of time, has swapa done anything to further the industry? Had 9/11 not happened would you still be on your high horse? Your "pay for type rating," to low benefits, low pay had done nothing but further bring this industry down the toilet. The only thing your group is responsible for is setting the new "low bar" for industry standard. Something to be proud of.
I'm glad you left delta for southwest and are proud of your new found employment. You should be. It's a great company. The tide is turning my little cocky friend, and people in glass houses should not throw stones. But to think you are any less sellouts is just plain old bs, and it's pretty tiring!
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so says spongebob.
 
Scoot 11 said:
The only thing your group is responsible for is setting the new "low bar" for industry standard.
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If they're setting the "low bar", and you're reaching up for it - where does that put you ...... On your knees ?
 
In the last 25+ years, has DALPA signed any contract or extension that did not release scope further?

There is no judge, no bankruptcy, no proverbial gun to the head- (just like most of the times they've released scope) and NO EXCUSES-

Will this version of DALPA sellout?

It'll be the first in a generation if you do
 
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Bake said:
so says spongebob.
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He's kinda right.......quit paying for your training while you're at it. When you do that, then you can criticize others. I think SWA can afford it, heck, the Airtran guys coming over when/if the 717s leave may get the type for free. Good for them. Now stop that process for future newhires.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
waveflyer said:
In the last 25+ years, has DALPA signed any contract or extension that did not release scope further?

There is no judge, no bankruptcy, no proverbial gun to the head- (just like most of the times they've released scope) and NO EXCUSES-

Will this version of DALPA sellout?

It'll be the first in a generation if you do
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Yes, the joint contract with NWA. No further scope was released. Scope and pay were the two largest requests on this new contract. Scope is huge because it is more than just RJs, it also includes Joint Ventures (like AF/KLM), code shares (AK), and foreign ownership. All of them are important, and the company obviously wants something to open these talks so early. So, it is time for the Negotiating Committee to bring the DL pilots something that can pass. RJs larger than 76 seats, won't pass.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Oh yeah,

Waves a tool......don't know what he said because I block him, but he's attracted to any Delta thread like flies on $hit!!
 
This message is hidden because Freebrd is on your ignore list.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Oh know!! He starts rumors, so Im gonna go ahead and cry like a *************************
 
This just in.....

Say Again is declared a waste of good graftable skin!!
 
BILL LUMBERG said:
Nuff said!
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I just hear them and want to know where they are coming from. But then again, I have been known to joke around about rumors making some think they are real......But never do I say this is for real...I heard it from a senior pilot....or from the training department...as most rumors start
 
Being DTW based and seeing what seems like thousands of RJs everyday I fly, I would vote a big fat no to any increase in RJ numbers, or increase in size of RJs. I don't know any Captain I have flown with on the bus who would vote to allow it either.


Godspeed!


The OYSter
 
BILL LUMBERG said:
Oh yeah,

Waves a tool......don't know what he said because I block him!
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coward.
Sensitive one at that. I get a lot of flack and speak my mind - but I do not use the ignore function.

It isn't delta threads- Its outsourcing threads and getting arrogant legacy unions to realize they are the main problem.
I know bc they furloughed me, then outsourced my job- and I never said I worked at Delta- but delta was the first to outsource jets to college grads and have been the most egregious in an industry that has been awful.

You must recognize a problem in order to solve it.
Many at delta have said the right things and seem to get it. They have not yet PROVED that they get it.
 
Is he talking again?

Wave, if I wanted to hear from you, I'd open my zipper!!!
 
On Your Six said:
Being DTW based and seeing what seems like thousands of RJs everyday I fly, I would vote a big fat no to any increase in RJ numbers, or increase in size of RJs. I don't know any Captain I have flown with on the bus who would vote to allow it either.


Godspeed!


The OYSter
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It's tough when you are number 12 for the runway and there is only ONE mainline plane between you and the hold short line. I've seen it there in Detroit and Atlanta many times. Richard will find away to get what he wants. I predict more relief on 76 seaters. I think DALPA will hold the line on any seats above that.
 
redflyer65 said:
It's tough when you are number 12 for the runway and there is only ONE mainline plane between you and the hold short line. I've seen it there in Detroit and Atlanta many times. Richard will find away to get what he wants. I predict more relief on 76 seaters. I think DALPA will hold the line on any seats above that.
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I see it there too, and it sickens me. But, we know those 50 seaters will be going away due to inefficiency. I hope not one more 76 seater is allowed, but I too have a feeling DALPA will allow some replacements. I will vote a big no if so. I don't think it would be one for one, but I will still vote no if that is the case. I also don't think larger than 76 seaters will ever get in any future TA. That would be suicide for ALPA at DL.


Godspeed!


The OYSter
 
redflyer65 said:
It's tough when you are number 12 for the runway and there is only ONE mainline plane between you and the hold short line. I've seen it there in Detroit and Atlanta many times. Richard will find away to get what he wants. I predict more relief on 76 seaters. I think DALPA will hold the line on any seats above that.
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Who are you and what have you done with Redflyer.....I agree with him!:laugh:
 
waveflyer said:
coward.
Sensitive one at that. I get a lot of flack and speak my mind - but I do not use the ignore function.

It isn't delta threads- Its outsourcing threads and getting arrogant legacy unions to realize they are the main problem.
I know bc they furloughed me, then outsourced my job- and I never said I worked at Delta- but delta was the first to outsource jets to college grads and have been the most egregious in an industry that has been awful.

You must recognize a problem in order to solve it.
Many at delta have said the right things and seem to get it. They have not yet PROVED that they get it.
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We get it. Southwest is perfect. :rolleyes:
I'm sorry you got furloughed. Unfortunately, I was told that, "you're not offically an airline pilot until you've been furloughed". So I got that covered for my career, I hope. I was furloughed in 92. Sucks. I had to go sell cars to make ends meet. You ended up at SW because of 9/11. I'll ask this again. Had you not got furloughed, would you have even looked at SW? It obviously wasn't your first choice. Prior to bankruptcies of the early to mid 2000's SW had never done anything to make the industry better. Pay? Pay for your type? Retirement? Benefits? QOL? You seriously need to back off the throttle a little, as your arrogance that I see displayed is the same arrogance the legacy pilots had in the late 90's. Look what happened there. It's the old... "people in glass houses." You really should look in the mirror.
 
You're the one trying to make this about southwest- it's a distraction-
Pilots land where they land- the choices they make while they're there matter.
 

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