Why Can't Expressjet Reserves Get Consistent Golden Days Off?

[CaribPilot]

Is there not a section of the contract that is supposed to make this happen? Is it really too much to ask to have a schedule with consistent days off? How much longer will reserves be thrown under the bus? O...i guess "it was worse in the old days"...and reserves should be happy to even have a section in the contract....GTFOH.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Is there not a section of the contract that is supposed to make this happen? Is it really too much to ask to have a schedule with consistent days off? How much longer will reserves be thrown under the bus? O...i guess "it was worse in the old days"...and reserves should be happy to even have a section in the contract....GTFOH.

There is no provision in the contract for your situation.

It's not going to get any better in the next contract. The negotiating committee has said publicly they have no intention of improving the reserve section of the contract. Yes, it may have been worse in the past on reserves as a whole, but many pilots have been on reserve years longer now. I feel your pain.

 

[CaribPilot]

How strange is it that attrition consists of mostly FO's right now. LOL Good luck replacing them when age 65 hits places that are more desirable to work for.

 

[COOPERVANE]

How strange is it that attrition consists of mostly FO's right now. LOL Good luck replacing them when age 65 hits places that are more desirable to work for.

They will throw up their arms and say "what happened???!!!!....we are a super regional now........why doesn't anybody want to work here?"

They will come out with a memo about how they got caught flat-footed and will need our help by referring friends. I would NEVER refer a friend here.

 

[Nevets]

The negotiating committee has said publicly they have no intention of improving the reserve section of the contract.

Why would they tell you guys lies?

 

[v1valarob]

There is no provision in the contract for your situation.

It's not going to get any better in the next contract. The negotiating committee has said publicly they have no intention of improving the reserve section of the contract. Yes, it may have been worse in the past on reserves as a whole, but many pilots have been on reserve years longer now. I feel your pain.

A negotiating committee that speaks publicly huh? Strange.

 

[CaribPilot]

They will throw up their arms and say "what happened???!!!!....we are a super regional now........why doesn't anybody want to work here?"

They will come out with a memo about how they got caught flat-footed and will need our help by referring friends. I would NEVER refer a friend here.

Lol...ahhh what i'd give to see where things are a year from now.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

A negotiating committee that speaks publicly huh? Strange.

Id be happy to PM you there phone numbers

 

[dojetdriver]

The negotiating committee has said publicly they have no intention of improving the reserve section of the contract.

And which contract would that be, the CRJ or the ERJ CBA?

Assuming you ACTUALLY know what you're talking about, if reserve rules stick to the ERJ language, overall it IS improved for a smaller amount of pilots

Assuming the reserve rules stick to the CRJ language, then that is a HUGE concession for a LARGER group of pilots.

 

[centralpilot]

Is there not a section of the contract that is supposed to make this happen? Is it really too much to ask to have a schedule with consistent days off? How much longer will reserves be thrown under the bus? O...i guess "it was worse in the old days"...and reserves should be happy to even have a section in the contract....GTFOH.

Yep, reserve is terrible and will only get worse. Senior F/Os take notice and pull your CA bids the next time it matters. You really want to wait until you can hold a line.

 

[777forever]

There is no provision in the contract for your situation.

It's not going to get any better in the next contract. The negotiating committee has said publicly they have no intention of improving the reserve section of the contract. Yes, it may have been worse in the past on reserves as a whole, but many pilots have been on reserve years longer now. I feel your pain.

Absolutely false.

They will throw up their arms and say "what happened???!!!!....we are a super regional now........why doesn't anybody want to work here?"

They will come out with a memo about how they got caught flat-footed and will need our help by referring friends. I would NEVER refer a friend here.

Where would you refer them? In the current environment there is not another place I rather be than Skywest Inc

Lol...ahhh what i'd give to see where things are a year from now.

You should of bid down to the 200, you would be a middle of the pack lineholder. Maybe even weekends off

 

[Cpt Oveur]

No, not false. I don't speak of the ERJ team, but the members didn't clarify when they made these remarks. It's possible they inferred beyond the e-jet rules.

 

[777forever]

No, not false. I don't speak of the ERJ team, but the members didn't clarify when they made these remarks. It's possible they inferred beyond the e-jet rules.

No, I have spoken to the union leaders, and I assure you the union has never come out with a written or public statement saying that they aren't looking to improve reserve workrules. Not only is the notion of the union actually saying this is rediculous, this kind of false gossip is not helping their position at this stage of negotiations.

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[JumpersAway]

It doesn't matter whether our MEC or negotiating com. burns capital on reserve work rules or not. If the CRJsection passes is kept "as is", it simply won't pass a vote on the legacy expressjet side of the house. At a MINIMUM, it will have to be ERJ standard to pass, and even then, it is doubtful.

 

[CaribPilot]

You should of bid down to the 200, you would be a middle of the pack lineholder. Maybe even weekends off

I hear you...maybe i should have man. But bidding over and forgetting about reserves still doesn't help the larger problem.

 

[CaribPilot]

It doesn't matter whether our MEC or negotiating com. burns capital on reserve work rules or not. If the CRJsection passes is kept "as is", it simply won't pass a vote on the legacy expressjet side of the house. At a MINIMUM, it will have to be ERJ standard to pass, and even then, it is doubtful.

Very true....they will not accept our side of the reserve rules.

 

[LHRCrewDog]

Is there not a section of the contract that is supposed to make this happen? Is it really too much to ask to have a schedule with consistent days off? How much longer will reserves be thrown under the bus? O...i guess "it was worse in the old days"...and reserves should be happy to even have a section in the contract....GTFOH.

From the ERJ side

21.I.2.d

The first, largest set of days off, on the reserve pilot’s line will be
designated as immoveable unless the pilot notifies Crew Scheduling
otherwise by 2359 CT on the first day of the bid period.

Sorry if you are on the CRJ side and things are different. But ERJ reserves do get golden days. You just have to send the request to scheduling. If they try to reassign you into that block, you can refuse and the chief pilots should remove the refusal from your schedule notes.

Hope that helps.

Eric Pogo

 

[LHRCrewDog]

I usually sit reserve a few months a year. Even though I am a Houston captain, I usually get my call-out time changed and get sent to another base and have my days (non-golden) consistently rolled.

Sorry for the tough times on reserve...

 

[OCP]

The CRJ side has a better golden day off setup. We either get 2 sets of 3 days off or 1 set of 4 and one set of 2. We use to be able to have some consistency to the awarding of them. If you bid the 3 days off over weekends, you usually would get all the weekends off. That is not true now.

BTW... 10 year CA here and going to be on reserve next month. Love this place! :nuts:

 

[Abernathy]

No, I have spoken to the union leaders, and I assure you the union has never come out with a written or public statement saying that they aren't looking to improve reserve workrules.

Of course they wouldn't send everyone a blast e-mail telling everyone on reserve to f*** off.

That's like saying, "the President NEVER made a public statement saying he got head from Lewinsky. So it never happened."

 

[Redan]

They may not say it publicly, but speak to our union leadership personally regarding reserve issues and they'll make it quite clear where they stand. And it appears that our dedicated leaders also have a heavy hand in the lines we'll enjoy for May. I'm also a ten year captain...with nearly 6 reserve years under my belt already, and it looks like I'll most likely return to reserve for May.

 

[Nevets]

No, not false. I don't speak of the ERJ team, but the members didn't clarify when they made these remarks. It's possible they inferred beyond the e-jet rules.

Yes, false. There isn't a CRJ team or ERJ team when it comes to negotiations. That's why they call it a joint negotiating committee. What does "beyond the e-jets rules" mean?

They may not say it publicly, but speak to our union leadership personally regarding reserve issues and they'll make it quite clear where they stand.

Good thing that it's not just up to the CRJ union leadership then because the ERJ side would not concede for the CRJ reserve rules or anything that isn't at least as good as the ERJ reserve rules.

 

[Abernathy]

Good thing that it's not just up to the CRJ union leadership then because the ERJ side would not concede for the CRJ reserve rules or anything that isn't at least as good as the ERJ reserve rules.

I hope that's true. We're all counting on it being true. Who else are we going to count on, the ASA MEC "leadership"?

 

[aircombat]

No, I have spoken to the union leaders, and I assure you the union has never come out with a written or public statement saying that they aren't looking to improve reserve workrules. Not only is the notion of the union actually saying this is rediculous, this kind of false gossip is not helping their position at this stage of negotiations.

If the union is afraid of gossip maybe they should have a presence in the crew lounge. That, "you guys can call your reps" BS doesn't cut it. There needs to be a physical presence to form an efficient union. I say gossip away if they aren't going to be around to set the record straight. Especially if it is a rumor that everyone already know is true even if they haven't come out and said it.

 

[sweptback]

Guys, chill.

The JNC evidently can't divulge what they're negotiating for, since that would breach their confidentiality agreement. We can all agree to disagree on whether or not the confidentiality agreement is necessary or not, but we can agree that whatever we're hearing is rumor and not fact.

Regardless of what is negotiated, we all have a vote on the contract. Enough people at ASA are affected by reserve that I think it will be a big voting bloc.

 

[dojetdriver]

Guys, chill.

The JNC evidently can't divulge what they're negotiating for, since that would breach their confidentiality agreement.

Well, that hasn't historically been a problem for them in the past now has it? Trusting the CRJ MEC to maintain the integrity of a confidentiality agreement that is.

 

[nerjdriver]

Is there not a section of the contract that is supposed to make this happen? Is it really too much to ask to have a schedule with consistent days off? How much longer will reserves be thrown under the bus? O...i guess "it was worse in the old days"...and reserves should be happy to even have a section in the contract....GTFOH.

I never once in 3 years of reserve willing lost a day off on reserve. You answer the phone on your day off or call them when you don't have to then that is your call man. Fly your contract, go home and enjoy your life.

 

[LHRCrewDog]

I never once in 3 years of reserve willing lost a day off on reserve. You answer the phone on your day off or call them when you don't have to then that is your call man. Fly your contract, go home and enjoy your life.

I think we are referring to the times when scheduling gets you before checkout; therefore, it is in the contract for them to reassign you to a day off. Unless they are your golden days. Not too many of us out there that would answer the phone with an Atlanta area code on our days off.

Three years and never reassigned into a day off is pretty amazing. I would usually count on at least one a month.

Eric Pogo

 

[777forever]

Well, that hasn't historically been a problem for them in the past now has it? Trusting the CRJ MEC to maintain the integrity of a confidentiality agreement that is.

I think they are maintaining the confidentiality agreements, but we have a few pilots with their own agenda getting vague updates from the union reps then running around sparking attempting to spark fear into the entire pilot group with rediculous rumors. All that talk, then no factual evidence justifying recall will be presented at the LEC meeting. Just the fact that our union leaders negotiated this excellent PBS system earns them 100% of my support.

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[CaribPilot]

I never once in 3 years of reserve willing lost a day off on reserve. You answer the phone on your day off or call them when you don't have to then that is your call man. Fly your contract, go home and enjoy your life.

Um...what you are talking about is completely unrelated to the Golden Days Off problem i am talking about.