Pinnacle conference call

[jynxyjericho]

Conference call so far.

Sean:
1. No one would work with me to fix things.
2. I wanted to leave but they gave me a TON of money.
3. * crocodile tears*
4. Lets all work together please, you've been doing great so far... except what I said earlier about #1.

 

[suupah]

waaaa waaaa waaaa waaaaaaaa!!!

"assistant, hand me a hundred, i need to blow my nose"

 

[jynxyjericho]

waaaa waaaa waaaa waaaaaaaa!!!

"assistant, hand me a hundred, i need to blow my nose"

I wonder if he cries green.

 

[suupah]

he only cries perrier tears

 

[Whataboutbob]

Did he say anything about the delta CR2's? Everything so far that I have read made it sound like there staying. I know it's early and everything Sean Menke says today is subject to change.

 

[WTF-Over]

Did he say anything about the delta CR2's? Everything so far that I have read made it sound like there staying. I know it's early and everything Sean Menke says today is subject to change.

new delta agreement through 2022. based on performnce perimeters

 

[suupah]

Anyone hang on long enough to catch the last question? wow.

 

[belliott]

Anyone hang on long enough to catch the last question? wow.

No... my phone dropped the call... what was the question?

 

[suupah]

Basically asking why the company wouldn't actively pursue furloughing out of seniority. He also bashed ALPA. Must be a real joy to fly with.

 

[Flyer1015]

Basically asking why the company wouldn't actively pursue furloughing out of seniority. He also bashed ALPA. Must be a real joy to fly with.

... and he is absolutely 100% correct. He was told by his union that "every airline brought something to this merger." Mesaba the new contract, and Colgan the Qs. Well, this pilot now realizes the contract won't be worth the paper it's printed on and the Qs are now gonna be gone. So that having been said, he's looking at furloughs from the bottom end of currently qualified Pinnacle and Mesaba FOs who are actually physically (DOH) senior to many Colgan pilots.

 

[suupah]

... and he is absolutely 100% correct. He was told by his union that "every airline brought something to this merger." Mesaba the new contract, and Colgan the Qs. Well, this pilot now realizes the contract won't be worth the paper it's printed on and the Qs are now gonna be gone. So that having been said, he's looking at furloughs from the bottom end of currently qualified Pinnacle and Mesaba FOs who are actually physically (DOH) senior to many Colgan pilots.

Not saying he's wrong. just a sign of battles to come.

 

[i fly boxes]

is it the 51 delta owned 900's and crj 200's that are extended to 2022, or is it just the 200's
We know the 16 900's 9e owned 900's are going away.

I think this is not done yet and there is something else going on behind the scenes and delta is running the whole thing to their liking.

 

[altimaklr]

Eventually those 900's might well stay with 9E. The leases won't.

 

[xjhawk]

I guess I missed a good conference call! Sounds like the last called with a question was either an FO who got screwed or a cat III captain who got screwed. Why again were all the Colgan Q captains placed so senior? Oh that is right, they had a greater career outlook than the rest of us. just F'ing peachy

I am thinking ALPA will fight to the last on furloughing out of seniority order. I think in this case it could save a lot of money for the company but it would set a precedent that none of us would want to be exposed to in the future. That being said.......we shall see what this bankruptcy brings.

Somehow I do not think this one will include $20k into my 401k and a lot of new jets.

 

[coonass]

her is my question how are they not going to furlough out of seniorty. With the XJ 900 fenced off because of Block along with the 9E 200 there is now way in hell the judge doesnt furlough out of seniorty. Now if the chapter 11 jugde throws out the block SLI then I'll be damn and F'ing pissed off if a Q guy takes my seat. There is no way in hell the SLI stands.

 

[IslandDriver]

Funny thing is I remember when CJC was bought. There were a lot of people who wanted to keep the lists seperate. People were afraid of whipsaw so they wanted a combined ALPA list.

I remember a PNC ALPA guy got all in my face saying how it WILL be one list and I better get used to that. Funny how 5 yrs later he got what he wanted and now they are pizzed if they furlough in SR order.

Funny

 

[sinkrate]

is it the 51 delta owned 900's and crj 200's that are extended to 2022, or is it just the 200's
We know the 16 900's 9e owned 900's are going away.

I think this is not done yet and there is something else going on behind the scenes and delta is running the whole thing to their liking.

Menke stated that as a price for Delta providing the DIP financing all the Delta contracts are now in play. What I heard was the remaining contracts may be extended to 2022 provided certain cost reductions were met.

If you were at Mesaba for the 04 contract and the BK you know what Andersons going to lay down next.

 

[RJLoser]

If you were at Mesaba for the 04 contract and the BK you know what Andersons going to lay down next.

Was not there. What's next?

 

[Flyer1015]

Funny thing is I remember when CJC was bought. There were a lot of people who wanted to keep the lists seperate. People were afraid of whipsaw so they wanted a combined ALPA list.

I remember a PNC ALPA guy got all in my face saying how it WILL be one list and I better get used to that. Funny how 5 yrs later he got what he wanted and now they are pizzed if they furlough in SR order.

Funny

That is funny. And ironic.

 

[xjhawk]

first of all you just might want to kiss your vacation goodbye. Yes, that happened-they took a week of vacation from us. Then there is the parking of planes. You have to look at the big picture. Back when Mesaba went into bankruptcy the last time, Anderson was at the helm of NWA. Mesaba was a profitable company but the NWA bankruptcy allowed them to just stop making payments to Mesaba (remember the 600 million our parent company had in the bank?) and allow Mesaba to declare bankruptcy. They had an agenda and a goal by doing that. Not many saw it and a lot of people laughed when I said NWA was going snatch up Mesaba for cheap. They all laughed and said there is no way NWA wants another regional, they just IPO'd Pinnacle and do not want any wholly owned regionals.
NWA was pretty busy back then making deals with their pilots as they wanted the 175's at a regional they created "for" NWA pilots to flow back to. They were effectively able to snatch up Mesaba and give them 900's while keeping costs down.

What is Andersons plan now? This all has been orchestrated from the time that Delta was not able to break the Delta pilots on 100 seat scope. They sold off Mesaba and Compass to start the process. Do they have a deal in the works with their pilots to "adjust" scope. Creating a B scale is not caving in on scope and if offered wide body growth and pay increases I could see Delta pilots agreeing to a b scale.

Get rid of the United and US Air lift-step one
Shed all training and leases that Pinnacle held
Cut pilot pay and work rules
park 200's
Finalize the B scale agreement with Delta pilots
Transfer the 900's to Delta "B scale" while "flowing" the pilots along with them-year one pay anyone?
Take delivery of a fleet of "b" scale 100 seaters and flow more pilots as their 200's are parked.

Far fetched? Remember, no one would have thought that American would "secure" the few thousand Eagle pilots either.

its either some sort of this scenario or they just want to park 100 200's.

 

[suupah]

Get rid of the United and US Air lift-step one
Shed all training and leases that Pinnacle held
Cut pilot pay and work rules
park 200's
Finalize the B scale agreement with Delta pilots
Transfer the 900's to Delta "B scale" while "flowing" the pilots along with them-year one pay anyone?
Take delivery of a fleet of "b" scale 100 seaters and flow more pilots as their 200's are parked.

Far fetched? Remember, no one would have thought that American would "secure" the few thousand Eagle pilots either.

its either some sort of this scenario or they just want to park 100 200's.

This scenario is ridiculous. What kind of crack were you smoking when you dreamed this up.

Wait, I forgot, we are in the airline industry.... Obviously this is what is going to happen!

 

[xjhawk]

same reaction I got when I thought NWA was going to buy Mesaba. Same exact one. All those senior XJ guys I was flying with thought I was on crack too. Delta will do whatever they can to crack the scope in order not to pay mainline type salaries. Creating a b scale is something thats done before and not too much of a stretch to get mainline pilots to sign off on it.

hey they will be delta pilots with delta seniority number (but seat locked for ........ years)

Delta pilots will love the pay raises

Delta pilots can ease their conscious by thinking its a favor to regional guys who want a mainline job anyways...

 

[dustrpilot]

same reaction I got when I thought NWA was going to buy Mesaba. Same exact one. All those senior XJ guys I was flying with thought I was on crack too. Delta will do whatever they can to crack the scope in order not to pay mainline type salaries. Creating a b scale is something thats done before and not too much of a stretch to get mainline pilots to sign off on it.

hey they will be delta pilots with delta seniority number (but seat locked for ........ years)

Delta pilots will love the pay raises

Delta pilots can ease their conscious by thinking its a favor to regional guys who want a mainline job anyways...

I think he was agreeing with you, albeit in a smart eleck way

 

[Simon Says]

first of all you just might want to kiss your vacation goodbye. Yes, that happened-they took a week of vacation from us. Then there is the parking of planes. You have to look at the big picture. Back when Mesaba went into bankruptcy the last time, Anderson was at the helm of NWA. Mesaba was a profitable company but the NWA bankruptcy allowed them to just stop making payments to Mesaba (remember the 600 million our parent company had in the bank?) and allow Mesaba to declare bankruptcy. They had an agenda and a goal by doing that. Not many saw it and a lot of people laughed when I said NWA was going snatch up Mesaba for cheap. They all laughed and said there is no way NWA wants another regional, they just IPO'd Pinnacle and do not want any wholly owned regionals.
NWA was pretty busy back then making deals with their pilots as they wanted the 175's at a regional they created "for" NWA pilots to flow back to. They were effectively able to snatch up Mesaba and give them 900's while keeping costs down.

What is Andersons plan now? This all has been orchestrated from the time that Delta was not able to break the Delta pilots on 100 seat scope. They sold off Mesaba and Compass to start the process. Do they have a deal in the works with their pilots to "adjust" scope. Creating a B scale is not caving in on scope and if offered wide body growth and pay increases I could see Delta pilots agreeing to a b scale.

Get rid of the United and US Air lift-step one
Shed all training and leases that Pinnacle held
Cut pilot pay and work rules
park 200's
Finalize the B scale agreement with Delta pilots
Transfer the 900's to Delta "B scale" while "flowing" the pilots along with them-year one pay anyone?
Take delivery of a fleet of "b" scale 100 seaters and flow more pilots as their 200's are parked.

Far fetched? Remember, no one would have thought that American would "secure" the few thousand Eagle pilots either.

its either some sort of this scenario or they just want to park 100 200's.

I am a Pinnacle Pilot now and this was along the same story lines I was telling the FO's. I don't think you are in outfield with this diatribe. I would take a 15% paycut for stability, but that is now. Back 6-7 years ago...no way. Its all perspective on where you sit on the SLI I suppose.

 

[Simon Says]

Now, back to

http://gameserpent.com/playgame/121/MMM-2

BTW, anybody have any other time wasters.

 

[JustaNumber]

BTW, anybody have any other time wasters.

FI isn't enough of a time waster?

 

[Flyer1015]

I am a Pinnacle Pilot now and this was along the same story lines I was telling the FO's. I don't think you are in outfield with this diatribe. I would take a 15% paycut for stability, but that is now. Back 6-7 years ago...no way. Its all perspective on where you sit on the SLI I suppose.

You want a 15% paycut?

 

[Simon Says]

You want a 15% paycut?

15% is the price I would pay for stability. Doesn't mean its the price you would pay.

 

[LanceAir]

I seem to remember something about B scales...for some reason 1985 comes to mind? I think RA is a student of history, and that a B scale is not sustainable

 

[WMUSIGPI]

15% is the price I would pay for stability. Doesn't mean its the price you would pay.

Then you better be willing to pay my 15%, oh and make up the difference for my downgrade from this too... I'll call the bluff and risk shutting it down instead. There won't be snapbacks, and $20,000 401K deposits at the end of this. Just an IOU for Vasoline.