US Airways & American

[WSurf]

~set a precedent~ to establish a pattern; to set a policy that must be followed in future cases.

Wow! If US Airways aquires American this could be one crazy pilot list!! I forgot how the TWA folks were merged into American's list. But I think they got hosed.

 

[St. Nic]

~set a precedent~ to establish a pattern; to set a policy that must be followed in future cases.

Wow! If US Airways aquires American this could be one crazy pilot list!! I forgot how the TWA folks were merged into American's list. But I think they got hosed.

It's going to be straight DOH. The TWA pilots wanted and deserved DOH. This merger is going to happen and it will be DOH. PHX is going to be flushed to Republic and they can enjoy their relative seniority integration wtih another regional which is all AWA ever was a regional!

 

[Deli Guy]

It's going to be straight DOH. The TWA pilots wanted and deserved DOH. This merger is going to happen and it will be DOH. PHX is going to be flushed to Republic and they can enjoy their relative seniority integration wtih another regional which is all AWA ever was a regional!

Ha! Said with the confidence born of arrogance. You know nothing my friend.

 

[Max Powers]

It's going to be straight DOH. The TWA pilots wanted and deserved DOH. This merger is going to happen and it will be DOH. PHX is going to be flushed to Republic and they can enjoy their relative seniority integration wtih another regional which is all AWA ever was a regional!

It will come down to which subset of pilots has numerical superiority. Don't you learn anything from the history you created. Pay back is a beyatchhhhhh!!!!

 

[OurMoney1]

I dont buy it.

AA might be desperate for market share now that Delta and UA have spent the last few years reorganizing but LCC is a mess that is not easily fixed. Hell bancruptcy is an easier fix than finding that fat girl LCC a dance partner.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

DOH could never be the merger protocol for a US AA merger. The AA merger with TWA wasnt DOH so any merged list can't take a current TWA pilot and make him senior to AA pilots he is currently junior to. There would be thousands of lawsuits.

 

[TWA Dude]

I forgot how the TWA folks were merged into American's list. But I think they got hosed.

Yes, we got hosed because the APA made a cynical show of "negotiating" with us then crammed-down the list of their making. The Bond-McKaskill law was supposed to fix that problem by forcing binding arbitration but as the AirTran pilots know too well a wily CEO can easily get around that.

This isn't rocket surgery. Barring a mutually agreed-to list the only fair way to integrate is through binding arbitration. Pilots with integrity will abide even if they don't like what the arbitrators decide.

 

[doh]

Yes, we got hosed because the APA made a cynical show of "negotiating" with us then crammed-down the list of their making. The Bond-McKaskill law was supposed to fix that problem by forcing binding arbitration but as the AirTran pilots know too well a wily CEO can easily get around that.

This isn't rocket surgery. Barring a mutually agreed-to list the only fair way to integrate is through binding arbitration. Pilots with integrity will abide even if they don't like what the arbitrators decide.

Pilots with integrity...sigh...

 

[Scoot 11]

Yes, we got hosed because the APA made a cynical show of "negotiating" with us then crammed-down the list of their making. The Bond-McKaskill law was supposed to fix that problem by forcing binding arbitration but as the AirTran pilots know too well a wily CEO can easily get around that.

This isn't rocket surgery. Barring a mutually agreed-to list the only fair way to integrate is through binding arbitration. Pilots with integrity will abide even if they don't like what the arbitrators decide.

You won't find one pilot at Us Air east with an ounce of integrity.


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[Hamfighter]

Seems like the easiest way to work out seniority integration (easy is a bit of a stretch) would be to take out one step. Split US/AW as they started, then find partners for each of the two. Plus, Doug could get bonuses on both mergers!

 

[St. Nic]

You won't find one pilot at Us Air east with an ounce of integrity.


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Says the rookie west pilot holding a lottery ticket he can't cash! LOL

 

[Flyer1015]

Says the rookie west pilot holding a lottery ticket he can't cash! LOL

Considering your twice bankrupt contract and its wages, benefits, and work rules, I have to ask: has DOH all been worth it so far? Do you guys really enjoy topping out your narrowbody captain scales at 125/hr?

 

[Flyer1015]

Says the rookie west pilot holding a lottery ticket he can't cash! LOL

Like he wanted a lottery ticket? His pilot group and YOUR pilot group both decided to carry out binding arbitration. Once your group saw the result, they got PO'ed and walked away from something THEY agreed to in the first place. Where's the integrity? "Binding arbitration.... it's not the law, it's just a suggestion....."

 

[fam62c]

The seniority list, as well as probably a joint CBA and a million other details would need to be worked out and agreed to in advance of any combination. To do anything else would result in nothing more than the AW/US mess on a much larger scale. I think the labor issues make this deal impossible.

In the end I think AMR management will get enough of what it wants to reorganize as a stand-alone carrier. If you look at the WSJ today you can see that they are already subtly threatening the employees with a breakup-yard sale if they don't get what they want quickly. It's hard to say how realistic the threat is but the AMR employees have nowhere else to go if the company liquidates, concessionary agreements pay much better than unemployment does. I think the employees will give what they have to give to keep AMR independent and hope for the best, they don't have any other realistic options.

Nobody can swallow American whole in this economy with these fuel prices and antitrust issues as well. I think they go it alone with fragmentation as another possible (but doubtful) option. TPG could be the wild-card here, this is going to be a long process.

 

[On Your Six]

It's going to be straight DOH. The TWA pilots wanted and deserved DOH. This merger is going to happen and it will be DOH. PHX is going to be flushed to Republic and they can enjoy their relative seniority integration wtih another regional which is all AWA ever was a regional!

More like the APA will flush USAPA down the can, and then the NIC award will be implemented FULLY. Then, it will go to arbitration again for the AA/US merger, and all will be "right" in the Universe.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[On Your Six]

The seniority list, as well as probably a joint CBA and a million other details would need to be worked out and agreed to in advance of any combination. To do anything else would result in nothing more than the AW/US mess on a much larger scale. I think the labor issues make this deal impossible.

In the end I think AMR management will get enough of what it wants to reorganize as a stand-alone carrier. If you look at the WSJ today you can see that they are already subtly threatening the employees with a breakup-yard sale if they don't get what they want quickly. It's hard to say how realistic the threat is but the AMR employees have nowhere else to go if the company liquidates, concessionary agreements pay much better than unemployment does. I think the employees will give what they have to give to keep AMR independent and hope for the best, they don't have any other realistic options.

Nobody can swallow American whole in this economy with these fuel prices and antitrust issues as well. I think they go it alone with fragmentation as another possible (but doubtful) option. TPG could be the wild-card here, this is going to be a long process.

What do you mean the employees will go nowhere? Depending on what they give up, they will probably follow the planes, unless the planes sit in the desert for 2 years. Some airlines do want pieces, but if the pieces are big enough, then they should follow. It's a chance also to get rid of AA management.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[On Your Six]

Says the rookie west pilot holding a lottery ticket he can't cash! LOL

But he will, and you will be handed a bill to pay for it.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[dollacrackho]

This merger is going to be like watching two really ugly fat people have sex. It will take a long time to figure out but in the end both participants will get screwed.

 

[JumpersAway]

You won't find one pilot at Us Air east with an ounce of integrity.


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Why? Because you didn't get your way and now you're sobbing in the corner about it?????

 

[Flybywire44]

You won't find one pilot at Us Air east with an ounce of integrity.


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You should seek out ways to raise your emotional intelligence.