JetBlue: Below average and it's going to stay that way.

[Beechnut]

The Company is expected to renege on their agreed upon process to keep JetBlue pilots paid at an average industry rate. That's twice in three years the Company decided to ignore their own comitments. A320 payrates are now 2.2% below average of what other pilots are making doing the same work.

Nevermind the already substandard Medical, Retirement, Vacation and Sick time policies.

All this on the heels of a profitble year and RECORD 4 QT EARNINGS.

Enjoy your Direct Relationship suckers.

Integrity: Not convenient, so go F**k yourself.

 

[mejorgy]

But we get new shirts! Big F$%king Deal..............

 

[Lake Alice]

In all fairness we should wait until the announcement on Monday but regardless of what they say or decided to do/not do we are not 2.2% behind. We are, in fact, much further behind that.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

so quit... flyings boring and you don't get paid enough for the responsibilities and time away staying sober...

 

[CapnVegetto]

I'll wait till Monday before I start badmouthing.

Whether we get it or not changes nothing, though. We still need a CBA.

 

[ultrarunner]

In all fairness we should wait until the announcement on Monday but regardless of what they say or decided to do/not do we are not 2.2% behind. We are, in fact, much further behind that.

What is the data source for the benchmarking?

 

[Lake Alice]

Several. From MIT, JetBlue internal, Delta, ALPA.

There is no shortage of information.

 

[ultrarunner]

Several. From MIT, JetBlue internal, Delta, ALPA.

There is no shortage of information.

So where do you benchmark?

 

[Lake Alice]

Below what is considered industry standard. A minimum of 2% for all seats in pay. A minimum of 8% for retirement. Sick and vacation are a minimum of 7 days per year and dont allow for year over year acrual. LOL/STD/LTD is based of what we pay versus what we receive comparitavely substantialy lacking in overall coverage.
The above doesn't touch contractual protections.

 

[ultrarunner]

But compared to your 'bench marking data' wherein does JetBlue stack?

That is the meaningful data.

 

[Lake Alice]

But compared to your 'bench marking data' wherein does JetBlue stack?

That is the meaningful data.

Below average!

 

[johnsonrod]

A buddy of mine at JB refers to it as the "Walmart" of the airline industry. He's applying to Emirates as we speak.

 

[ultrarunner]

Below average!

Good grief....

Where do you stack on a bench mark percentile!

What IS the average, and where do you stack!

You're new at this right?

What is the average bench mark? And....

WHERE DO YOU STACK....

 

[N813CA]

please leave so I can be a part of JetBlue.

 

[N311HK]

So how does 8th year pay compare to everyone else? You can't, cause you'd be a freaking FO everywhere else. Try flying 70 hrs a month without 1.5.

 

[B6Busdriver]

The Company is expected to renege on their agreed upon process to keep JetBlue pilots paid at an average industry rate. That's twice in three years the Company decided to ignore their own comitments. A320 payrates are now 2.2% below average of what other pilots are making doing the same work.

Nevermind the already substandard Medical, Retirement, Vacation and Sick time policies.

All this on the heels of a profitble year and RECORD 4 QT EARNINGS.

Enjoy your Direct Relationship suckers.

Integrity: Not convenient, so go F**k yourself.

I predict there will be a raise. Meanwhile your retirement is light years behind the industry, we pay more for worse medical, merger protection that is questionable, poor LTD, and the list goes on. I expect BlueBayou to crawl out of his hole and champion the DR and this group will be bought off for 2.2%.

 

[Flyer1015]

Seriously, what benchmark? Unless I'm wrong on my numbers, JetBlue has the second highest A320 wage rates, second only to Delta.

 

[ChuckDriver]

8 yr FO Rates:

Southwest (737) 142.75

CAL (LNB) 108.62

AA (737) 104.47

Alaska (737) 111.13

Airtran (SNB) 101.06

DAL (319/320) 114.45

UA (320) 89.54

USAir-E (320) 80.65

UsAir-W (320) 86.94

Jetblue (320) 100.69

 

[Dizel8]

But compared to your 'bench marking data' wherein does JetBlue stack?

That is the meaningful data.

I am not sure if this answers your question.

The peer set, benchmark, is made up of part 121 major passenger airlines. Once a year, I believe in the fall, the pay rates are collected and the numbers crunched, then this rate should become the target for the next year.

Last year when the numbers were taken, it showed a 2.2% shortfall between the target and the current rate.

Mind you, these numbers does not take into account Pilot CASM, an area where the company is way below average due to high productivity.

If you have not seen it, the MIT airline study is a great information source, don't have the link in front of me, but a quick search will find it.

 

[Smarta$$]

So how does 8th year pay compare to everyone else? You can't, cause you'd be a freaking FO everywhere else. Try flying 70 hrs a month without 1.5.

You mean like all the JetBlue pilots hired lately?