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mckpickle

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As a reminder we enjoy talking with our pilots. Anyone who has any questions regarding PBS and our research therein should feel free to email us at [email protected] and we will return your email or discuss the topics on the phone.


Steve McKnight
XJT Scheduling Committee Chairman
 
As a reminder we enjoy talking with our pilots. Anyone who has any questions regarding PBS and our research therein should feel free to email us at [email protected] and we will return your email or discuss the topics on the phone.


Steve McKnight
XJT Scheduling Committee Chairman

How about you put the rumors to rest regarding the other thread first and stop this 3rd grade charade.
 
How about you put the rumors to rest regarding the other thread first and stop this 3rd grade charade.

Well I've signed my name and you have not so I'm not sure what "charade you are refering to.
I legally cannot participate in the other thread. I was offering the pilots of ExpressJet an avenue to discuss the technical issues in person, and not through an online forum without accountability.
 
So you are the turd effing this all up, then.. Swing your junk somewhere else, Mcknight. No one wants a globalized system.
 
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Just to be contrary, the XJET MEC has to reinvent the wheel on PBS and go opposition to the system ASA carefully selected and the overwhelming majority approves of. Every company (CAL) that is against their PBS is against it because of Gobalization, yet they want to push one that includes it. My guess is because that system most mirrors the ILIW stuff XJet has used.
 
So you are the turd effing this all up, then.. Swing your junk somewhere else, Mcknight. No one wants a globalized system.

You talk an awful big game when you're on an anonymous web board, yet this guy at least comes on here and posts his real name trying to put out pertinent information. Our MEC (ASA) likes to do things with MOU's and LOA's behind closed doors without pilot group input so it's refreshing to see the XJT MEC try to solicit pilot opinion.

Our current contract language is proof enough that I think I want XJT MEC taking the lead on our JCBA. At least that way every section won't end in "all of the preceding is subject to needs of the company," or some other gaping loophole that the company can drive an 18 wheeler through.
 
Not sure what globalization is, but PBS is great at XJT(ASA)! I'll be honest, I voted against it initially because of the pairing construction language and because I thought like a lot of the XJT guys do now. I am 100% in favor of our system as long as we keep vacation low and the pairing construction language gets better. Line bidding has nothing on our PBS! Yes your vacation setup is nice, but I guarantee you'll get more total days off with PBS. Doing my taxes I had to add up all of the days I worked last year. 157!! Thats all! Now I am liberal with my sick time usage, but 157 days of work and I made just a little over 90K on 7/8 year pay. Thats the best part time job I've ever had. That also includes training events. In case your wondering, thats 208 days off.
 
Thanks for putting your info on here but not only no to a globalized system but hell no man, seriously lets not reinvent the wheel on the JCBA. PBS is a small part espically since we have one of the top PBS systems, not the best but why not improve ours and work on other areas other than blow everything on this dumb azz PBS fight
 
So you are the turd effing this all up, then.. Swing your junk somewhere else, Mcknight. No one wants a globalized system.

Nice, one thing is for sure this surprising tone of some ASA folks has made us XJT/ERJ pilots much more open to hear what our MEC/union volunteers have to say, especially as they have studied the topic and produced a document with some facts in it.

Many of us tended to be vehemently against any PBS system at all but that's been changing. Since it seems the ASA side has not been able to coherently express the reasons why the ERJ side's PBS proposals are not beneficial to the merged pilot group we're tending towards our MEC's info. (and I don't mean in a forum post but an official union-sanctioned study that we can all read).
 
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... Thats the best part time job I've ever had. That also includes training events. In case your wondering, thats 208 days off.

I am not sure why that's so unusual, I was mid seniority at XJT and the WORST line I got all year had 14 days off, giving on average 16-17 days off after line improvement. Had 25 days off in vacation months (paid for 75h hours). That's 220 days off NOT including sick days and INCLUDING days that i picked up for 200% pay. Still credited over 1000 hours pay in the year.

Has the ASA MEC produced any information/studies AT ALL about the system that XJT has or about any other PBS system for that matter?
 
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Has the ASA MEC produced any information/studies AT ALL about the system that XJT has or about any other PBS system for that matter?


No and they won't either. They prefer back room tactics and no communication. After all.....they know whats REALLY best for the pilot group.

Oh, and be assured they'll get a little bonus to sell it to us. Maybe 8 hours per day for "union business"


XJT MEC can't take over fast enough as far as I'm concerned.
 
Thanks for putting your info on here but not only no to a globalized system but hell no man, seriously lets not reinvent the wheel on the JCBA. PBS is a small part espically since we have one of the top PBS systems, not the best but why not improve ours and work on other areas other than blow everything on this dumb azz PBS fight

+1.

What do these guys have against the seniority system? I thought they didn't even want PBS. Now they want it, but they want a new system that nobody else uses that is globalized. What the heck are they smoking?
 
What topic? Each of you crying about wanting or not wanting pbs? can you answer the question or not? If you would like a pbs question also then what percent were on reserve before pbs compared to after?
 
thank you. Just trying to get real info compared to people thinking they know. I dont have your contract so i cant compare
 
i will let the select four or five argue all day about PBS. I would like to compare the other 400 pages and see how we can make the rest of the contract better.
 
Your contract is better in almost every area other than maybe one or two things. And I can't even name what those would be.
 
i will let the select four or five argue all day about PBS. I would like to compare the other 400 pages and see how we can make the rest of the contract better.

I'll start it here:

-ready reserve is 4 hours/ paid 4 hours
-no need to call or wait 1 hour after last known assignment on reserve



Feel free to add on.
 
Comair's contract WAS the best...I wouldn't trade with them though....

Horizon is better too.....Wouldn't trade with them either....
 
ASA's PBS was amazing. As long as the MEC's don't let any work rules change than I believe the XJT pilots will love what the ASA pilots had.

What ever you do, don't let the system become a globalized system!
 
I'll start it here:

-ready reserve is 4 hours/ paid 4 hours
-no need to call or wait 1 hour after last known assignment on reserve



Feel free to add on.

Sounds good. We have that now. Also can not be assigned ready reserve on your last day of reserve. We also are released 15 minutes after blocking in on last leg if nothing has been added. We just have to check schedule and if nothing is there then head home. Also can't be reassigned by ACARS. I have been told they can do that to you. Not sure if that is true.
 
how do your reserves bid? Is that through the PBS system? We just bid for days off and call out times. Same as line bidding just shows days on reserve instead of trips.
 
The real argument to consider is a seniority based system versus a GLOBALIZED system. If a system is globalized, it does not matter whether it is AOS, Navtek, Carmen, or Smartpref. The pilots of Continental have a globalized system.

Although Continental pilots have few PBS rules, which contribute to the dissatisfaction level, the GLOBLIZATION is also a major factor in that it allows the software to ignore the desires of the crewmember so that it may assign the pairings that it needs to assign to achieve certain goals. In simple terms, there may be a specific pairing that may be available to a crewmember that the crewmember has bid. However, if the software determines that it needs that pairing elsewhere, then the crewmember will be denied that specific pairing and another pairing will be assigned that meets the need of the solution that the software is trying to achieve. There is little transparency and no predictability for the crewmember.

Flightline's Prefbid is the only seniority based system without GLOBALIZATION. If a crewmember bids for a specific pairing, and it is available to the crewmember, it will be awarded so long as it does not conflict with a pre-assigned pairing or other pre-assigned activity, and there are no other legality issues such as block buffers, FAR violations, and the awarding does not exceed the wide credit window. Of all the systems, it honors seniority to the greatest extent.

In a globalized system there is the potential that every pilot bidding can be affected by the globalization process. In a globalized system, the software seeks solutions that can basically ignore crewmember requests to the degree necessary to obtain a satisfactory solution, depending on staffing and the number of hours that need to be covered. The goal is for the software to assign the time on every available pilot's line driving toward a solution with very little or no open time and also to drive most all pilots to an average line value. Normally, the credit windows are very narrow to assist in achieving this goal. Some have called it socialization of the schedules.

In summary, individual pilots will get greater schedule satisfaction from a seniority based system. If a crewmember bids correctly, and with a wide credit window, the crewmember will get better schedule satisfaction in both the specific types of trips he desires, and also the line value ($) that he chooses that determines his pay. In a GLOBALIZED system, the crewmember will lose control over specific trips that may be available to him, and in addition, he can lose control over the line value that he would like awarded to achieve desired pay.

As pilots, we strive to control our environment to the greatest extent possible. It is a common thread that we all share. So, why would we not want a schedule bidding system that gives us the most authority possible to control one of the most important elements in our job--Our Schedules! Globalization greatly diminishes that ability for a pilot to control his schedule. Ask any Contiental pilot.

Flightline's Prefbid, a seniority based awarding system, gives the crewmember the greatest amount of control over two of the most important parts of his job--the Schedule and his pay. Most pilots would want a system that grants them the ability to have the most control over their schedule and their pay.
 
well put. Focus more on pairing construction language and combine gains there with the current PBS system and we'll have a winner.
 

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