ASA Ready Reserve

[twott driver]

Changes to the contract that most seem to be unaware of. Keep them honest boys and girls, they are taking chances on a daily basis and the new schedulers haven't got half a clue.

Flight assignment HAS to start within an hour of end of RRSRV period, and can only be extended to 2 hours if IROP declared.

They are assigning rrsrv pretty much as they see fit, with no regard to the bucket list. Check the bucket before accepting a rrsrv assignment.

LOA 11

§ 13.O.3.b.(3) Ready Reserve – Replace
11 (3) A Flight Assignment given to a pilot on ready reserve will depart
12 within one (1) hour from the end of his scheduled ready reserve
13 period. The one (1) hour period can be extended to two (2) hours if
14 an IROP has been declared.
15
16 §13.O.7.e. Ready Reserve – Replace
17 e. When assigning a short-call reserve pilot to report as a ready reserve,
18 as provided in paragraphs O.6.a, above, such ready reserve
19 assignment will be made in the following order:
20 (1) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the two (2)
21 day bucket of reserve days available; if no pilots are available in
22 such bucket; then
23
24 (2) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the three (3)
25 day bucket of reserve days available; if no pilots are available in
26 such bucket; then
27
28 (3) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the four (4)
29 day bucket of reserve days available; if no pilots are available in
30 such bucket; then
31
32 (4) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the five (5)
33 day bucket of reserve days available; if no pilots are available in
34 such bucket; then
35
36 (5) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the six (6)
37 day bucket of reserve days available; if no pilots are available in
38 such bucket; then
39
40 (6) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the one (1)
41 day bucket of reserve days available.

 

[asayankee]

Changes to the contract that most seem to be unaware of. Keep them honest boys and girls, they are taking chances on a daily basis and the new schedulers haven't got half a clue.

Flight assignment HAS to start within an hour of end of RRSRV period, and can only be extended to 2 hours if IROP declared.

They are assigning rrsrv pretty much as they see fit, with no regard to the bucket list. Check the bucket before accepting a rrsrv assignment.

LOA 11

§ 13.O.3.b.(3) Ready Reserve – Replace
11 (3) A Flight Assignment given to a pilot on ready reserve will depart
12 within one (1) hour from the end of his scheduled ready reserve
13 period. The one (1) hour period can be extended to two (2) hours if
14 an IROP has been declared.
15
16 §13.O.7.e. Ready Reserve – Replace
17 e. When assigning a short-call reserve pilot to report as a ready reserve,
18 as provided in paragraphs O.6.a, above, such ready reserve
19 assignment will be made in the following order:
20 (1) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the two (2)
21 day bucket of reserve days available; if no pilots are available in
22 such bucket; then
23
24 (2) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the three (3)
25 day bucket of reserve days available; if no pilots are available in
26 such bucket; then
27
28 (3) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the four (4)
29 day bucket of reserve days available; if no pilots are available in
30 such bucket; then
31
32 (4) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the five (5)
33 day bucket of reserve days available; if no pilots are available in
34 such bucket; then
35
36 (5) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the six (6)
37 day bucket of reserve days available; if no pilots are available in
38 such bucket; then
39
40 (6) In order of line credit value, lowest credit hours first, in the one (1)
41 day bucket of reserve days available.

They love to try and assign it to the 1-day bucket guys...even though they should be the last people utilized. I guess they think "well it's 1 day of RRR it should go to the 1-day bucket guys".

Hold them to the contract!!!

 

[Speedtape]

If we were to negotiate Dual-Qual, you will be more at risk being able to fly more aircraft. It would not be good for Reserve life.

 

[Max Q]

I don't know how long the irops thing has been in there but when I was on reserve, I would get assigned a trip with a departure over 1 hour after the end of RRR all the time and we didn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Speedtape]

I don't know how long the irops thing has been in there but when I was on reserve, I would get assigned a trip with a departure over 1 hour after the end of RRR all the time and we didn't have a leg to stand on.

Max,

I shared your pain. When you and I were new, even lineholders had Reserve days on their schedules. In fact, even on days that we flew scheduled flying, you were unofficially onReady Reserve, subject to the somewhat normal practice of Extension. You weren't safe on the last leg until you were on the crew bus headed to the parking lot.

However, today things have changed and the rules have improved. The language for Ready Reserve was amended and improved in the PBS Letter. Of course the real question is, how is it practiced?

Bottom line, if you read nothing else, read the Scheduling section and try to be up on the improvements in LOA 11, and any of the MOUs that pertain to scheduling.

 

[JustaNumber]

Have any other reserve guys noticed them starting to call you for an assignment exactly 1 hour prior to the start of your reserve window? Sure you don't have to answer, and technically this isn't an official violation of your rest, but it seems this is becoming a regular practice now. I just want to be left alone for 9 hours a day!

By the way, who is this "ASA" you speak of?

 

[asayankee]

Have any other reserve guys noticed them starting to call you for an assignment exactly 1 hour prior to the start of your reserve window? Sure you don't have to answer, and technically this isn't an official violation of your rest, but it seems this is becoming a regular practice now. I just want to be left alone for 9 hours a day!

By the way, who is this "ASA" you speak of?

They start pulling that crap when they get desperate...

 

[wms]

Don't answe the phone.

 

[Av8trix616]

Yes, they absolutely assign RRR outside of the proper bucket order- more often than not, lately. When called on it recently, the scheduler claimed that he wasn't able to "see" the guy who supposed to get it. (despite me being able to see him on the reserve list)

 

[twott driver]

As speedtape said, at the very least, read hours of service, section 13 and loa's/mou's pertaining to reserves in particular. The less you know, the more they take advantage of you.

 

[JJDriver]

I was just given a day six RR 3:30-11:30 pm. They claimed I was the only one available. It was useless trying to offer to do an earlier one where they could actually use me.

 

[twott driver]

This got cut off the bottom of my first post.

(7) If two or more reserve pilots available for a ready reserve within
2 the same bucket assignment have the same credit value at the time
3 of the ready reserve assignment, the junior most pilot will be given
4 the assignment.
5
6 (8) When making an assignment in paragraphs e.(1) – e.(7), above,
7 the Company will assign an AM ready reserve assignment to a
8 short-call reserve pilot who has an on-call period that begins on or
9 before 1159 domicile time. The Company will assign a PM ready
10 reserve pilot, to a short-call reserve who has an on-call period that
11 begins on or after 1200 domicile time. The Company will exhaust all
12 the requisite short-call reserves in their respective short-call reserve
13 period before utilizing the other requisite short-call reserves in the
14 other reserve period.
15
16 For example, if an AM ready reserve assignment needs to be filled,
17 the Company will process all available short-call reserves in the 2-
18 day bucket to fill the assignment with an AM on-call reserve before,
19 the process paragraphs e.(2), then e.(3), then e.(4), e.(5) before
20 processing the 2-day bucket with a short-call reserve with a PM on-
21 call reserve period to fill the assignment.

 

[JumpersAway]

Scheduling has become VERY adversarial with pilots. Yet management continues to proclaim that it is quite the contrary.

I'm also getting automated notifications well into my rest period. When I called them on it and told them it was violating my rest period, they denied that it does such. On a trip, my cell phone is my alarm, and thus, whenever they activate an automated text notification, it beeps and wakes me up. How does this not violate rest requirements.

I've had them call at 4am, to inform me that I had a RRR reserve at 6am.......THE NEXT DAY!!!! When I chewed the scheduler out for doing it, their statement was "Well, you're on reserve now". That's great, except my wife has to work because regional pay is so crappy. Now she is up too, can't go back to sleep, and will now roll around awake until 8am when she gets up. Though they can, they ought to have enough common sense not to.

When it comes to crew scheduling- NOT ONE INCH am I willing to give those bastards. After years of being pro scheduling and busting hump, not anymore.

 

[crazy8]

Scheduling has become VERY adversarial with pilots. Yet management continues to proclaim that it is quite the contrary.

Part of the reason for this is the fact that some of the XJT schedulers transferred over to ATL from IAH. Welcome to what we've been dealing with for years.

 

[CheeseHead13]

Crew Scheduling sucks...oh, and Mesa too!

 

[sunlitpath]

Good post, Twott Driver. Many guys have been on reserve for so long they have forgotten the RRR assignment protocols. I am going to run copies of LOA 11, as it pertains to RRR and disperse it around the vampire crypt, also known as the crew lounge. Crewmembers on reserve must protect every shred of the meager work rules that pertain to them. Management doesn't care about reserve QOL. Very few line holders care about reserve QOL. Therefore, reserve crews shouldn't care much about them either. Protect yourself, your personal health, and your family life. Do not rush to flight assignments. Take time to eat your meals quietly. Write up all maintenance discrepancies thoroughly, as required by the FOM. You are tired; your aircraft must be safe. All cockpit lights should be working properly. Chart holder lights, map holder lights, center console floodlights, side panel floodlights, and all other lights should be fully working for night operations. The MELs for cockpit lighting require PIC and FO acceptance. Don't accept sub-standard flightdeck illumination. The following suggestions for reserve work rules are just a starting point for what we should see in a contract. If it means giving up improvements for line holder QOL, then so be it.

1) 13 days off minimum
2) Moving a day off = 3 hour pay override, over guarantee regardless of credit.
3) Ready reserve = 2 hour pay override, over guarantee regardless of credit.
4) Days off pro-rated chart section 12-D-2e should be the same for reserve as line holder.

Anything less than the above is unacceptable and insulting

 

[JumpersAway]

Good post, Twott Driver. Many guys have been on reserve for so long they have forgotten the RRR assignment protocols. I am going to run copies of LOA 11, as it pertains to RRR and disperse it around the vampire crypt, also known as the crew lounge. Crewmembers on reserve must protect every shred of the meager work rules that pertain to them. Management doesn't care about reserve QOL. Very few line holders care about reserve QOL. Therefore, reserve crews shouldn't care much about them either. Protect yourself, your personal health, and your family life. Do not rush to flight assignments. Take time to eat your meals quietly. Write up all maintenance discrepancies thoroughly, as required by the FOM. You are tired; your aircraft must be safe. All cockpit lights should be working properly. Chart holder lights, map holder lights, center console floodlights, side panel floodlights, and all other lights should be fully working for night operations. The MELs for cockpit lighting require PIC and FO acceptance. Don't accept sub-standard flightdeck illumination. The following suggestions for reserve work rules are just a starting point for what we should see in a contract. If it means giving up improvements for line holder QOL, then so be it.

1) 13 days off minimum
2) Moving a day off = 3 hour pay override, over guarantee regardless of credit.
3) Ready reserve = 2 hour pay override, over guarantee regardless of credit.
4) Days off pro-rated chart section 12-D-2e should be the same for reserve as line holder.

Anything less than the above is unacceptable and insulting

Agree with the above completely. Reserve section needs work. The reserves have been sacrificing to make things better for the line holders, and I'm tired of the lectures from the senior people that don't have a clue. If they don't back the reserve improvements, I've suddenly become in favor of dual qual.

 

[twott driver]

Scheduling has become VERY adversarial with pilots. Yet management continues to proclaim that it is quite the contrary.

I'm also getting automated notifications well into my rest period. When I called them on it and told them it was violating my rest period, they denied that it does such. On a trip, my cell phone is my alarm, and thus, whenever they activate an automated text notification, it beeps and wakes me up. How does this not violate rest requirements.

I've had them call at 4am, to inform me that I had a RRR reserve at 6am.......THE NEXT DAY!!!! When I chewed the scheduler out for doing it, their statement was "Well, you're on reserve now". That's great, except my wife has to work because regional pay is so crappy. Now she is up too, can't go back to sleep, and will now roll around awake until 8am when she gets up. Though they can, they ought to have enough common sense not to.

When it comes to crew scheduling- NOT ONE INCH am I willing to give those bastards. After years of being pro scheduling and busting hump, not anymore.

Create an email account on gmail or yahoo and send notifications to that. It won't accept SH's telephone number anymore unfortunately. Don't have to worry about it again after that. They will phone you with the change when they need to.

 

[Av8trix616]

yes, it's very sad that SH's number won't work anymore... and every time you try to delete the robo-dial number on ourasa, it just repopulates it. You have to put *some* number in there. I gave em the Rejection hotline number- Any of the numbers on this page should work:

http://www.rejectionline.com/copycat.html

Have a listen: http://www.rejectionline.com/listen.html

Yeah, I know no one is on the other line listening. But It makes me smile. Robo call vs Robo Answering service.

Create an email account on gmail or yahoo and send notifications to that. It won't accept SH's telephone number anymore unfortunately. Don't have to worry about it again after that. They will phone you with the change when they need to.

 

[Speedtape]

Agree with the above completely. Reserve section needs work. The reserves have been sacrificing to make things better for the line holders, and I'm tired of the lectures from the senior people that don't have a clue. If they don't back the reserve improvements, I've suddenly become in favor of dual qual.

Just curious, how long have you been here?