AMR Merger will erode Pilot Retirement Jobs

[grog_sit_reserv]

374 more days!

 

[RJLoser]

How about instead of the blame game we do something about it?

 

[bri5150]

You new guys I fly w/ who come from the regional/feeders are all the same, with a few exceptions. You all want a quick upgrade and whine when you don't get it and have to sit reserve for years and work the holidays. You talk about how great airline x is to work for b/c it's better than.... mesa/pinnacle/mesaba/xjet/psa/tstates... most of you don't have kids and your wife works.

So you all are happy to be working at a company w/ better work rules and a more professional pilot group. Yet you won't look around and realize you are working under concessionary wages w/ poor health care and poor retirement.

You are all now at a Major airline. It's supposed to be better than your feeder you came from... that's the whole idea.

Now you are whining that since you have been so proficient in gaining our routes with ever bigger planes you won't have the opportunity to make it to a Major for a long time...

I'm not greedy... and I can feel for you, but this time I really don't care. I was on the corner in 02-05 watching you take more and more of my seat miles while you got your quick upgrades... what goes around comes around.

Don't worry... I'll retire in 22 years... you can have my left seat then. Until then, we work for a seniority based multi tiered system... wait your turn and keep climbing. That's how it works. You are not entitled to anything. Some times you get knocked back or frozen in position or even have to restart... that's life. Get used to it.

Your little quick start in this industry is over. The line just got long again. Take a number, keep flying that RJ, keep it out of the trees and continue to update your resume.

Your turn will probably come.

Tail

Were you hired on directly from CFI to a major? The ONLY people to blame for the regionals, and I mean ONLY ones, are the ones that gave up scope. Some of it was given in bankruptcy with no choice, but there is also some given up for pensions. I know I don't want these regional jets here. I want them at mainline. Give me one thing I can do about it as a regional pilot. Am I suppose to quit and say this isn't right and hope like hell a major will hire me without any recency? How about strike like Comair to get better wages? That seemed to work well...

 

[Bugs]

I never surrendered. They made my horse surrender. I bet he's pulling a wagon in Kansas somewhere...

 

[Fubijaakr]

I never surrendered. They made my horse surrender. I bet he's pulling a wagon in Kansas somewhere...

Endeavor to persevere...

 

[Spinn555]

"Do you have any turbojet time?" says the Captain on the big airline hiring board.

"No, I have 4,500 of turbine time in a turbo prop though," says the pilot applicant.

"Oh, I'm sorry. We are looking for those that have turbojet time in large aircraft. Props dont count."

Quit relaxing scope, then forcing the younger pilots to fly large jets!

 

[shon7]

what about all the free market arguments that are heard here so often.
The regionals only pay that low because there is a ready and willing pool of applicants to accept that level of pay.

 

[waveflyer]

Were you hired on directly from CFI to a major? The ONLY people to blame for the regionals, and I mean ONLY ones, are the ones that gave up scope. Some of it was given in bankruptcy with no choice, but there is also some given up for pensions. I know I don't want these regional jets here. I want them at mainline. Give me one thing I can do about it as a regional pilot. Am I suppose to quit and say this isn't right and hope like hell a major will hire me without any recency? How about strike like Comair to get better wages? That seemed to work well...

This^^^^

 

[waveflyer]

"Do you have any turbojet time?" says the Captain on the big airline hiring board.

"No, I have 4,500 of turbine time in a turbo prop though," says the pilot applicant.

"Oh, I'm sorry. We are looking for those that have turbojet time in large aircraft. Props dont count."

Quit relaxing scope, then forcing the younger pilots to fly large jets!

And this^^^

 

[waveflyer]

Tail hook- you don't get it and least respectable refuse responsibility for what legacy pilots created and management took advantage of. No regional pilot ever got a vote on scope.
As for the free market quip- the "free market" is so compromised by regulation, recency, seniority, and contracts, that to call it a 100% free market is truly ignorant. Have you seen Comair? The one regional that attempted to stand up for higher wages has been downsized to a fraction of itself- the regionals are an unrelenting whipsaw who's only purpose is to divide the pilots, divide our career, and play each company against the next- Comair gets too strong, and a little Saab operator named Chautauqua gets the new contracts and built up to the Rupublic we have today-
This is all controlled by mainline carriers guaranteeing profits to shell companies who will help them gut our profession.
It's a diabolical mainline mgmt plan- and one that we should all fight against- but believe me- as the poster I quoted above said- if legacy pilots signed off on outsourcing the 737/320 sized jets- that would just extend and divide the career more- and the "majors" would make 737/320 time the defacto competitive mins-

I could go on a lot longer- but from your posts- you won't understand

 

[bri5150]

Tail hook- you don't get it and least respectable refuse responsibility for what legacy pilots created and management took advantage of. No regional pilot ever got a vote on scope.
As for the free market quip- the "free market" is so compromised by regulation, recency, seniority, and contracts, that to call it a 100% free market is truly ignorant. Have you seen Comair? The one regional that attempted to stand up for higher wages has been downsized to a fraction of itself- the regionals are an unrelenting whipsaw who's only purpose is to divide the pilots, divide our career, and play each company against the next- Comair gets too strong, and a little Saab operator named Chautauqua gets the new contracts and built up to the Rupublic we have today-
This is all controlled by mainline carriers guaranteeing profits to shell companies who will help them gut our profession.
It's a diabolical mainline mgmt plan- and one that we should all fight against- but believe me- as the poster I quoted above said- if legacy pilots signed off on outsourcing the 737/320 sized jets- that would just extend and divide the career more- and the "majors" would make 737/320 time the defacto competitive mins-

I could go on a lot longer- but from your posts- you won't understand

And this^^^

It will be our fault if the 737s get outsourced to us because we are cheaper. We should all just quit if the majors relax scope more. That would really show them.

 

[Dornier 335]

The regionals only pay that low because there is a ready and willing pool of applicants to accept that level of pay.

"Do you have any turbojet time?" says the Captain on the big airline hiring board.

"No, I have 4,500 of turbine time in a turbo prop though," says the pilot applicant.

"Oh, I'm sorry. We are looking for those that have turbojet time in [large] aircraft. Props dont count."

So, what were are those RJ pilots supposed to do to become competitive for the majors?

 

[Citjok]

This is classic. Pilots fighting between themselves.The management types that are on this site must be having a good laugh. What a pity.

 

[Fubijaakr]

So, what were are those RJ pilots supposed to do to become competitive for the majors?

Competitiveness is entirely dependent on the supply of pilots available. If the mainlines dumped the RJ operators and replaced them with 737s in those markets, turboprop time would be the qualification you needed to get hired.

 

[JetMonkey]

373 Booya!