Hey XJET guys...

[Skaff]

So you're saying we need one list for 3 companies. Ok, so let's try once more to get SKYW guys on board. Good luck getting their guys to sign on to something that puts XJET guys ahead of any SKYW pilots. Most of them don't want our union, nor do they want to give up 2% a month. You have to understand that SKYW will always remain the favored child. I'm not trying to hate on SKYW guys, I have a bunch of good friends there. But as long as they get theirs and the grass stays green, they don't care about our labor pains on the other side of the barn. The real issue is way above any pilot's pay grade.

We have more pressing issues to deal with at ASA/XJT like our swiss cheese contract and list integration.

In the meantime, it sucks long and hard for us, especially our junior guys. But if guys want to jump ship before being thrown overboard, go for it and take a letter of rec from SH. Better SKYW than HoJets.

Why would Skywest pilots ever want something that would put another airline before their own. SkyWest Airlines was profitable enough to put Inc in a position to buy ASA... SkyWest has continued to be profitable enough to take on a very unprofitable airline, Express Jet, and try to turn a profit with them. Why should we want something that would put you before us when our profits are paying your paychecks. Damn... some of you spikey haired kids have a problem with entitlement.

 

[DHPFLYN]

Enjoy your lifelong career with skywest. Stop your fellow pilots from whining that we get better hotels and better retirement than you. Just keep drinking that koolaid.

 

[Master Shake]

Why would Skywest pilots ever want something that would put another airline before their own. SkyWest Airlines was profitable enough to put Inc in a position to buy ASA... SkyWest has continued to be profitable enough to take on a very unprofitable airline, Express Jet, and try to turn a profit with them. Why should we want something that would put you before us when our profits are paying your paychecks. Damn... some of you spikey haired kids have a problem with entitlement.

Wow. Where to start...? Ok how about this isn't about "us" before "you". It's about "you" riding our negotiating coattails and then being handed growth while "we" furlough. It's about securing a brighter future for all of us employed by SkyWest. Its really about the bigger picture; something you clearly don't see.

Also; before you go mouthing off about spiky hair and entitlement you should know your audience. Most of us are well into our 30s and early 40s. We have things like wives, and children, mortgages and car payments. And that sir, makes this one list drive all the more important.

 

[FishandFly]

Is there common agreement that if one list is accomplished the airline itself will be superior to what Skywest will ever be on it's own?

 

[pipers]

The only thing that skyw might be interested in is a combined in-house union.

That is the only way it would ever happen.....

 

[wms]

Why don't they just let the CRJ guys go to the erj? Then with sli give them their original seniority.

 

[wms]

They did this back in 06 & 07. Literally 100s of asa f/os left that dump of an airline to go to skywest.




I think if you figured out a merger where you could get one list but with restrictions they might go for it. Let's say if you bid into a skywest base you get put on the bottom then moved up based on seniorty when new people transffered in.

My g/f is a skywest captain and like most came from another regional and they don't think it's fair that someone who can't pass the skywest interview can get as windfall into a base people worked hard to get into.


This is all very similar to the airtran vs. southwest thing. I mean look at the way asa got their contract. They negotiated for years without getting anything until skywest bought them then they pretty much exactly what skywest had.

Wrong pooper scooper. After five years ASA had slow down and got what they wanted. Then Skywest gave their pilots the same plus a lolly-pop to keep them happy. After the ev sli is done integration with Skywest will be next.

And it won't be in-house, mgmt doesn't make that decision.

 

[ASARJMan]

They did this back in 06 & 07. Literally 100s of asa f/os left that dump of an airline to go to skywest.had.

SuperPooper comes out of her closet! I thought I told you to stay outa ASA's chit man! You don't have a clue. 100s my ass! A few went, not hundreds. Worry about your CAL crap, and who gives a fudge your GF works at SKW huh! Like that supposed to impress someone?????? Really!!!!

 

[paid4training]

So ASA and XJT are talking furlough and they are no longer hiring?

 

[Master Shake]

So ASA and XJT are talking furlough and they are no longer hiring?

We are one group divided into CRJ and ERJ pilots. The CRJ flying is being reduced, while we need pilots for the ERJ. Since our seniority lists have not yet been integrated, the two MECs have firmed up a deal to let CRJ pilots fly the ERJ and keep their longevity for pay but be temporarily placed at the bottom of the ERJ list. Once the two lists are combined those CRJ pilots would be placed on the new master list based upon their original hire date.

 

[mxaviator]

We are one group divided into CRJ and ERJ pilots. The CRJ flying is being reduced, while we need pilots for the ERJ. Since our seniority lists have not yet been integrated, the two MECs have firmed up a deal to let CRJ pilots fly the ERJ and keep their longevity for pay but be temporarily placed at the bottom of the ERJ list. Once the two lists are combined those CRJ pilots would be placed on the new master list based upon their original hire date.

Keep longevity for pay? I'm not sure about that, I thought it was no more than 2nd year pay, assuming it goes that deep.

 

[dojetdriver]

My g/f is a skywest captain and like most came from another regional and they don't think it's fair that someone who can't pass the skywest interview can get as windfall into a base people worked hard to get into.

Wow, what an excellent point those SkyWest pilots have.

I mean, good grief. Being trained on the CRJ (all variants) at ASA can in NO way what so ever compare to the superpilots that SkyWest hires.

 

[paid4training]

Is all of this a result in AA declaring bankruptcy? I thought the others were doing okay?

 

[79%N1]

It's a result of Delta giving GoJets 8 of ASA's crj700's and taking 6 crj200's out of the fleet. This will probably continue in the future as Delta wants to eliminate 200's and ASA is probably too expensive due to the very senior workforce to keep any 700's in the future as they come up for bid. This is what happens when a company has to bid for work, even the work they currently have.

 

[wms]

Some recent new-hires at Expressjet have been told they can go to the ERJ now or the CRJ in April. This from someone who interviewed recently.