Emirates places order for 50 Boeing 777-300 ERs with options for 20 777-300 ERs

[atpcliff]

Just heard a rumour, that BEFORE this big order, EK will not be able to man their -777s by 2014...due to a shortage of pilots.

I think EK is a very nice option for US pilots who are looking overseas. There are also jobs at Qatar, FlyDubai, Etihad, and other Chinese, Asian, and African carriers.

cliff
SYD

 

[Flyer1015]

Just heard a rumour, that BEFORE this big order, EK will not be able to man their -777s by 2014...due to a shortage of pilots.

I think EK is a very nice option for US pilots who are looking overseas. There are also jobs at Qatar, FlyDubai, Etihad, and other Chinese, Asian, and African carriers.

cliff
SYD

All they have to do is drop their 30 ton jet time rule, and they'll have all the applicants they could want from the US alone.

 

[Freight Dog]

Glass half empty kinda guy, aren't ya Kalifornia?

 

[Kalifornia]

Glass half empty kinda guy, aren't ya Kalifornia?

Glass half empty kinda guy, aren't ya Kalifornia?

In regards to the airline pilot profession, absolutely - Tempered enthusiasm leads to sounder judgement. It also helps to create a real pilot shortage versus promoting this career as still the best part time job you can have or other kick yourself mindsets. The funny thing is Emirates could pay out more to the pilots and even offer out of Middle East basing and safety nets but regional Joe from Nickelback Airlines is already kicking back in the recliner at the compound because it is way better than the race to the bottom regional carrier they left::They burn the bridge to a better deal by over promoting the one at hand

 

[Flyer1015]

In regards to the airline pilot profession, absolutely - Tempered enthusiasm leads to sounder judgement. It also helps to create a real pilot shortage versus promoting this career as still the best part time job you can have or other kick yourself mindsets. The funny thing is Emirates could pay out more to the pilots and even offer out of Middle East basing and safety nets but regional Joe from Nickelback Airlines is already kicking back in the recliner at the compound because it is way better than the race to the bottom regional carrier they left::They burn the bridge to a better deal by over promoting the one at hand

You're delusional. Enjoy the Emb-145 XR luxury edition.

 

[Kalifornia]

You're delusional. Enjoy the Emb-145 XR luxury edition.

No, that's the extra extra luxury Long Range Emb-145, let's be fully correct and recognize it's standing in a long line of Shiny Jet Syndrome. Makes all them college flight instructors looking to fly for free droooolllll. They'd fly it from North Korea to Iran to Siberia if given the chance, oh yea!

 

[CE750Driver]

No, that's the extra extra luxury Long Range Emb-145, let's be fully correct and recognize it's standing in a long line of Shiny Jet Syndrome. Makes all them college flight instructors looking to fly for free droooolllll. They'd fly it from North Korea to Iran to Siberia if given the chance, oh yea!

You are a sad person. You lower the standards for everyone. Sad.

 

[Flyer1015]

For people like Kalifornia, the world ends when you hit the California Pacific coastline in the west and the eastern coastline of the US.

 

[Kalifornia]

No that's not quite right, i had a lovely vacation in North Korea 2 months ago, didn't run into Hans Blix, major bummer. But I did visit their space station training facility and Astronaut Comrade Hundyia said the universe ends for people like Flyer1015 between Dirkistan and Dirkistan.

Ce750, I'm just following the lead of every starry eyed pilot. Dude, it would just be awesome to fly the A380. I would pay for my type rating and work for free for the first 6 months to experience it's massive awesomeness. Do they have an XXL version?

 

[Flyer1015]

No that's not quite right, i had a lovely vacation in North Korea 2 months ago, didn't run into Hans Blix, major bummer. But I did visit their space station training facility and Astronaut Comrade Hundyia said the universe ends for people like Flyer1015 between Dirkistan and Dirkistan.

Ce750, I'm just following the lead of every starry eyed pilot. Dude, it would just be awesome to fly the A380. I would pay for my type rating and work for free for the first 6 months to experience it's massive awesomeness. Do they have an XXL version?

You do realize a first year EK pilot outearns every single major FO in America, right? When you look at the tax-free package and housing + benefits included. It isn't shiny jet syndrome. It's $$$$ and the fact that many people are finally just fed up with the aviation landscape here in the US. Your post history proves you don't get out much. I have a hard time believing you've been anywhere outside the USA, save for Canada or Mexico for spring break.

 

[Kalifornia]

You do realize a first year EK pilot outearns every single major FO in America, right? When you look at the tax-free package and housing + benefits included. It isn't shiny jet syndrome. It's $$$$ and the fact that many people are finally just fed up with the aviation landscape here in the US. Your post history proves you don't get out much. I have a hard time believing you've been anywhere outside the USA, save for Canada or Mexico for spring break.

Well gee whiz, there's nothing getting by you junior detective. Your powers surely could be used for the force of good. You got my entire bio covered right there. I couldn't tell you the Great Wall from the Berlin Wall....I think one's in Ukraine which is in South America or something like that??? Them Southwest pilots couldn't either, Texas cowboys. Dang it gall darn it all, punk dumb 737 pilots. Canada, I thought that spoke English over there like we're suppose to in 'America, but then WTF, I go to Quebec and they are all talking like a French waiter.?. Then someones like, dude, you don't need a passport to go to Puerto Rico, and I go there and they're like speaking Mexican, WTF over??

 

[Flyer1015]

In regards to the airline pilot profession, absolutely - Tempered enthusiasm leads to sounder judgement. It also helps to create a real pilot shortage versus promoting this career as still the best part time job you can have or other kick yourself mindsets. The funny thing is Emirates could pay out more to the pilots and even offer out of Middle East basing and safety nets but regional Joe from Nickelback Airlines is already kicking back in the recliner at the compound because it is way better than the race to the bottom regional carrier they left::They burn the bridge to a better deal by over promoting the one at hand

Huh?! ANY RJ pilot, be it a FO or a Captain, will get a huge pay increase by going to EK. YOUR argument works against you, because what you are saying applies to EVERY single RJ pilot in the US. All of them take a paycut to go to ANY major/legacy airline as first year FO. Highest pay being $56 at Delta. Aren't these pilots kicking back at the recliner in their crashpad because it is way better tahn the race to the bottom regional carrier they just left? Look at yourselves in the mirror before talking crap like that. A move to EK for any regional pilot, FO or CA, entails a significant pay increase, and certainly no race to the bottom. You wanna talk race to the bottom? Talk about those Continental first year 737 and 757/767 pilots getting 29.97/hr for first year with NO medical benefits for 6 months! That's the real race to the bottom.

It's an insult to compare FO pay at any legacy carrier here to EK. The EK package is far superior. Why should any 50 seater pilot, CA or FO, have to take a paycut to fly at a legacy carrier? That race to the bottom has already happened. Blame 9/11, greedy + incompetent management, economic recession, a pus$y ALPA union, and whatever else you like to help you sleep at night.

 

[Kalifornia]

Huh?! ANY RJ pilot, be it a FO or a Captain, will get a huge pay increase by going to EK. YOUR argument works against you, because what you are saying applies to EVERY single RJ pilot in the US. All of them take a paycut to go to ANY major/legacy airline as first year FO. Highest pay being $56 at Delta. Aren't these pilots kicking back at the recliner in their crashpad because it is way better tahn the race to the bottom regional carrier they just left? Look at yourselves in the mirror before talking crap like that. A move to EK for any regional pilot, FO or CA, entails a significant pay increase, and certainly no race to the bottom. You wanna talk race to the bottom? Talk about those Continental first year 737 and 757/767 pilots getting 29.97/hr for first year with NO medical benefits for 6 months! That's the real race to the bottom.

It's an insult to compare FO pay at any legacy carrier here to EK. The EK package is far superior. Why should any 50 seater pilot, CA or FO, have to take a paycut to fly at a legacy carrier? That race to the bottom has already happened. Blame 9/11, greedy + incompetent management, economic recession, a pus$y ALPA union, and whatever else you like to help you sleep at night.

Whoa, sorry to get you emotional all about it. Funny, how that works, the USA plays world cop and spend trillions in military to try and stabilze it and the Middle East Kingdoms thank us by making certain places their oil money playgrounds. Freedoms such as unions be damned.

But I do you credit, you are right, the pay and benefits at the US carriers has been bad, real bad and yes, mostly for the results listed. Think they should improve across the board, but again if a foreign carrier is rolling in dough growing with massive jets from their oil money, they certainly can afford to offer an even better package to make that sacrifice. I wouldn't over promote it to justify them offering less because it's so much better than the current US situation........... Don't sell yourself short. Air Canada $240 an hour 12 year Captain 777 and you can live in Toronto {not as warm as Dubai, brrrrr} and have union protection. Or UPS, or Fedex, or Southwest or Gulfstream Aviation. Ok, I made that last one up

I still find it funny that someone thinks they have every one figured out based on what is or isn't in a profile. Not to going lay out my life story, that's not even on Facebook. Like I have never left the North America continent and have no clue there's a nightly knock off market just off Nathan Street in Hong Kong, Kowloon I believe and the old airport was a crazy approach. Or that Tanzania requires a Yellow Fever Immunization for entry. Or that you'd be nuts to rent a car and drive within the city of Rome, Italy.

 

[Varmint]

Whoa, sorry to get you emotional all about it. Funny, how that works, the USA plays world cop and spend trillions in military to try and stabilze it and the Middle East Kingdoms thank us by making certain places their oil money playgrounds. Freedoms such as unions be damned.

What would happen to US oil supplies and the US economy if the M.E. destabilized and the US was not able to purchase oil anymore from the region?

The USA playing middle-east cop is for self-serving economic needs not because the government is all warm and fuzzy on helping people.

 

[Flyer1015]

Whoa, sorry to get you emotional all about it. Funny, how that works, the USA plays world cop and spend trillions in military to try and stabilze it and the Middle East Kingdoms thank us by making certain places their oil money playgrounds. Freedoms such as unions be damned.

But I do you credit, you are right, the pay and benefits at the US carriers has been bad, real bad and yes, mostly for the results listed. Think they should improve across the board, but again if a foreign carrier is rolling in dough growing with massive jets from their oil money, they certainly can afford to offer an even better package to make that sacrifice. I wouldn't over promote it to justify them offering less because it's so much better than the current US situation........... Don't sell yourself short. Air Canada $240 an hour 12 year Captain 777 and you can live in Toronto {not as warm as Dubai, brrrrr} and have union protection. Or UPS, or Fedex, or Southwest or Gulfstream Aviation. Ok, I made that last one up

I still find it funny that someone thinks they have every one figured out based on what is or isn't in a profile. Not to going lay out my life story, that's not even on Facebook. Like I have never left the North America continent and have no clue there's a nightly knock off market just off Nathan Street in Hong Kong, Kowloon I believe and the old airport was a crazy approach. Or that Tanzania requires a Yellow Fever Immunization for entry. Or that you'd be nuts to rent a car and drive within the city of Rome, Italy.

You sound experienced from travel overseas, and been in this industry a while. But if that's the case, then you cannot just throw out a wage ($240/hr) for a 777 Captain at Air Canada, and say that is good pay! First of all, Canadian taxes are even worse than American taxes. General Sales Tax and Provincial Sales Tax, GST and PST. Depending on where you are, it amounts to nearly 15% sales tax on goods you buy. Not to mention, they have a national health care system, and everyone pays into it. Property taxes, school taxes, etc etc. It ALL adds up big time. The point being that UAE salaries are not taxed, and what you make, you get to keep. So if one makes $140k USD in Dubai, it's an "equivalent" of making at least $200,000 here in the US. Taxes are a big part of that equation, and Canadian taxes are even worse. So, you can't really compare a 12th year 777 Captain at Air Canada and say he makes "more" than a 12th year 777 Captain at Emirates. You have to look at the overall package, not just the hourly rate. Sure, your hourly rate may be lower, but it is so because your house is included free.