MKE Incident... first it was Pinnacle, now it's Mesaba

[ultrarunner]

Plane Makes Hard Landing At Mitchell International ​

MILWAUKEE -- A Delta Connection flight had to make a hard landing Monday morning at Mitchell International Airport. ​

had to????​

 

[Baronman]

I think from a passenger's perspective, any landing that results in blown tires/metal scraping will be a "hard landing." Irrespective of if the touchdown was normal and the mechanical failure being caused by a pre-existing condition in the gear.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

had to????

You gotta do what you gotta do bro...

 

[silver02ex]

I am trying to discredit the OP because he is trying to slander our name unnecessarily, and unfoundedly. .

Our name? Aren't you the one who keeps saying "We are all Pinnacle pilots now"? So what difference does it make to you if he bad talk about "Mesaba" Why do you care since you are a Pinnacle pilot now.

 

[DoinTime]

I never said our maintenence was better. Trust me, this week isn't the week I am going to be toughting how great our maintenence is. As stated before, I am trying to discredit the OP because he is trying to slander our name unnecessarily, and unfoundedly. As far as the pilot is concerned, I don't know who it is. I know there are a few guys (as with any airline) that could use some work.

As I stated before, I think we need to move forward as one airline. If someone posts or starts a thread that bashes the airline I came from with misinformation, then I will defend my former peers. I am not the OP here, and I am trying to get everyone to move on. That may be a losing battle.

p.s. Also notice that I try to discredit with valid information and pointing out how the OP's information is incorrect as opposed to just calling people names which has happened many times in the other direction (not necessarily Flyer though).

Your strategy of rebutting a known flamer with insults directed at 1300 other premerger pinnacle pilots does nothing but make you look like an a-hole and make your statements of solidarity sound hollow and meaningless. Truth is, very very few people care what happened in mke now or in 2006. Regardless of what happened, it didn't happen because it was Mesaba this or Pinnacle that. I'm just glad fate hasn't choosen me for such an unfortunate event yet. If you really believe in solidarity and leaving your old identity behind, try just disagreeing with the OP and not throwing all other pinnacle people under the bus.

 

[bri5150]

Our name? Aren't you the one who keeps saying "We are all Pinnacle pilots now"? So what difference does it make to you if he bad talk about "Mesaba" Why do you care since you are a Pinnacle pilot now.

Do you allow people to talk smack without good information about the places you come from? If someone started talking about the place I flight instucted at with information that was either incomplete or incorrect, I would also defend them. I won't bring up stuff with Pinnacle because I think we need to move on. Damn straight I will correct information that was already brought up that discredits where I come from.

 

[bri5150]

Your strategy of rebutting a known flamer with insults directed at 1300 other premerger pinnacle pilots does nothing but make you look like an a-hole and make your statements of solidarity sound hollow and meaningless. Truth is, very very few people care what happened in mke now or in 2006. Regardless of what happened, it didn't happen because it was Mesaba this or Pinnacle that. I'm just glad fate hasn't choosen me for such an unfortunate event yet. If you really believe in solidarity and leaving your old identity behind, try just disagreeing with the OP and not throwing all other pinnacle people under the bus.

By stating that Pinnacle maintenence was the last to work on the strut that failed (which is the truth), I threw everyone at Pinnacle under the bus? Maybe it was the fact I brought up taxiing to the gate after going off pavement? Is my statement on that not true? Is there not a difference there? The OP was implying they are the same thing. If you feel like my comments threw everyone at Pinnacle under the bus, and are insults (that is an extreme stretch, "You two seem to be cut from the same cloth" and saying I "look like an a-hole" are much more insults than what I said, not that I care you said them) I am sorry and I will stop posting on the subject as to not cause more disagreement.

I don't think Flyer is a flamer. I think he truly believes what he posts, and wants to make valid points. This is the first time I have heard a fellow 9E guy call him out as a flamer.

How about that new LOA? That is a piece of crap huh? Maybe we can agree on that? :beer:

 

[Flyer1015]

Flyer, you have issues. Is there a reason you can't just accept the merger and move on? Why haven't you found a faster upgrade at another regional yet? We are all together now. It's time to start acting like it.

Flyer is a tool!
He is a typical know it all that ends up never knowing anything.

The only good thing that came out of some getting hosed on integration is that it will hopefully take him a long time to ever upgrade.

Not sure why you two are talking about the merger. My post had nothing to do with the merger. My first post was truth: Pinnacle had an incident at MKE, and so did Mesaba. My second post was poking at those "know it alls" who already "know" it was a gear strut that caused this. No where did I say anything about the merger.

 

[airplane wizard]

"Scary moments for passengers aboard a Delta Airlines LearJet this afternoon as it was forced to make a fiery crash landing at General Mitchell International Airport...."

 

[mesaba13]

Yeah flyer but you forgot your slam on the Mesaba guys with this remark:

"Yeah, because the runway is what caused the overly excessive sink rate .

And I like some of the XJ guys already talkin about how it was a gear strut problem. You should replace the NTSB, it seems they have no reason to exist anymore. "

This is the same anti-Mesaba stuff you are constantly spewing that drives people apart instead of bringing together.

 

[Flyer1015]

Yeah flyer but you forgot your slam on the Mesaba guys with this remark:

"Yeah, because the runway is what caused the overly excessive sink rate .

And I like some of the XJ guys already talkin about how it was a gear strut problem. You should replace the NTSB, it seems they have no reason to exist anymore. "

This is the same anti-Mesaba stuff you are constantly spewing that drives people apart instead of bringing together.

That response was due to the XJ types who had apparently already known what went wrong and found the cause.

 

[bri5150]

That response was due to the XJ types who had apparently already known what went wrong and found the cause.

That is because us former xjers talk on a seperate web board about things that have gone wrong and we all pass along information that is helpful for us all to learn from an issue going forward. There was a person posting on there about how he personally wrote up the equipment before the flight in question. There was also another that knew the pilot on the incident flight. Sure, they could have posted false information, but it is highly unlikely.

This is not an insult to Pinnacle, just a statement on how Mesaba does/did things. Our safety culture is not an accident (ha ha, funny use of words ). Our training department is/was focused on things that make a difference to safety as opposed to memorizing crap that isn't needed. Our pilots talk about incidents and learn what could have been done better. Sure, we have stalled Saabs before, but it is used by the training department and the other pilots as an example to learn from. This incident is no different. We have all talked about what happened and what to look for through forums and in the cockpit. I am sure this is done at other airlines, but the question is why are we are being questioned about knowing something happening at our own airline?

 

[RJLoser]

That would be good info to post on airlinkpilots.com for the PCL 900 guys.

 

[DoinTime]

That is because us former xjers talk on a seperate web board about things that have gone wrong and we all pass along information that is helpful for us all to learn from an issue going forward. There was a person posting on there about how he personally wrote up the equipment before the flight in question. There was also another that knew the pilot on the incident flight. Sure, they could have posted false information, but it is highly unlikely.

Just for a factual piece of discussion, I've heard now that a strut that had been written up for a "shimmy" during taxi somehow caused an alleged hard landing that blew two tires and blew apart the strut assembly? Which wheel assembly are we talking about here (nose, left main, right main)? I had assumed that we were talking about a main strut here but main struts don't cause a "shimmy" while taxiing no matter how you slice it.

I've been flying this plane (unless this was a -900) for over 10 years now and this story just isn't adding up yet.

This is not an insult to Pinnacle, just a statement on how Mesaba does/did things. Our safety culture is not an accident (ha ha, funny use of words ). Our training department is/was focused on things that make a difference to safety as opposed to memorizing crap that isn't needed. Our pilots talk about incidents and learn what could have been done better. Sure, we have stalled Saabs before, but it is used by the training department and the other pilots as an example to learn from. This incident is no different. We have all talked about what happened and what to look for through forums and in the cockpit. I am sure this is done at other airlines, but the question is why are we are being questioned about knowing something happening at our own airline?

How is this any different from what goes on at Pinnacle?

 

[bri5150]

Just for a factual piece of discussion, I've heard now that a strut that had been written up for a "shimmy" during taxi somehow caused an alleged hard landing that blew two tires and blew apart the strut assembly? Which wheel assembly are we talking about here (nose, left main, right main)? I had assumed that we were talking about a main strut here but main struts don't cause a "shimmy" while taxiing no matter how you slice it.

I've been flying this plane (unless this was a -900) for over 10 years now and this story just isn't adding up yet.






How is this any different from what goes on at Pinnacle?

I don't know how it is different than Pinnacle. That's why I said it wasn't an insult to Pinnacle. I can infer it may not happen because Flyer was wondering how we knew what was wrong with the aircraft, but I don't know the culture there because I haven't started flying with original 9E guys yet.

A shimmy can be caused by a main gear if the damn thing is loose, right? The only people that are calling this a "hard landing" is the press. Do you trust in their definition of a hard landing? As someone earlier posted, they said it was a "Delta Connection Learjet" as well. If the strut assembly blows apart because it is broken, do you think that the two tires below will probably blow as well? What is there to not understand? Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but with the information I am presented with, this seems to be the most logical conclusion. More logical than someone (at any airline) landing so hard that it blows the strut apart and there is nobody injured on the aircraft. Someone posted 5k fpm...are you kidding me?