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Pilots win 'sham-divorce' case against Continental

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DALLAS — In a case involving Continental Airlines, a federal appeals court says benefit administrators don't have the power to decide whether employees' divorces are real or fake.

Continental sued nine of its pilots, claiming that they got "sham" divorces so their ex-spouses could tap their lump-sum pensions while they still worked for the airline — then remarried the same partners.

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday upheld a lower-court ruling that employers can't consider or investigate why employees get divorced or whether the divorce is genuine. The appeals court dismissed Continental's 2009 lawsuit, which was filed in federal district court in Houston.

A Continental spokeswoman said the airline was reviewing the ruling before deciding its next step.

Steve Mitby, an attorney for five of the pilots, called the decision "a victory for employee privacy rights — nobody wants their employer looking into their divorce."

Mitby said all the pilots were fired or resigned, and they are suing Continental in federal court in Houston for wrongful termination and interfering with their pension rights.

The airline, now owned by United Continental Holdings Inc., had said it paid out $10 million to $11 million in pension distributions that pilots had assigned to their spouses.

According to Continental court filings, the pilots — seven men and two women — got divorces in states where domestic-relations orders assigned all or nearly all of their retirement benefits to their ex-spouses, who then demanded payment.

The airline charged that the pilots were taking advantage of a provision in federal law that, in cases of divorce, allows payment of pension benefits to an ex-spouse before a worker retires. Continental argued that the pilots were worried that the airline might turn over its pension obligations to the government — as other airlines did in the 2000s — leaving them with reduced benefits.

In a footnote, the appeals court said a retirement plan administrator might be able to recover a pension payment if a court ruled that a divorce was a sham, but that didn't happen in the Continental case.
 
Good for them!
 
This does not hurt the company except for the bad PR.

This divorce sham hurts the pilot group. It is their money in that fund and if large sums are drawn from it unexpectedly it can threaten the lump sum option for everyone else, leaving a paltry annuity to retire with, which is only as dependable as the financial stability of the company. How many folks are comfortable with their airline staying healthy for 20 or 30 years after they retire? What about your spouse having to rely on it after you're gone? Ask the UAL retirees how that worked out.

Yes, it is great to see the MBAs lose at their own letter-of-the-law game, but this is more indicative of some pilots who will do anything to "get theirs at any cost," including walking all over their fellow pilots to take care of themselves. They are finishing their careers as the began them.

This was a very bad thing to do, in so may ways.
 
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It looked suspicious when they re-married the same spouses they had before. Really clever conspirators would have swapped, then called the parson. :p
 
Pilots committing fraud and stealing from their fellow pilots.
Even if it was the company's money, they're still dirtbag, lying thieves.

The fact that they are stealing from their fellow pilots..................... There is no further they could sink.
Good for them!

No man with integrity would endorse this.

They are Welfare Queens stealing directly from PILOTS instead of taxpayers. Nothing more. They and their 'spouses' belong in jail.

Heaven forbid anyone "take advantage" of THE LAW


Do you give Bankruptcy Courts and CEOs the same wink and nod when they steal from your pension? Tell me all about how you respect welfare queens who 'take advantage of the law' to leech off of the rest of our hard work.........


How many other fraud schemes do you endorse? Bump and dump? Slip and fall? Fronting? Ponzi? Moneygram? Arson? Nigeran Prince?

'Good for them' for 'taking advantage of the law', right?


It should've been ALPA suing them, not the Company.
 
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How many of them were scabs?
Seems like the "all about me" syndrome is prevalent.
 
Pot calling the kettle black

Wow, slamming these guys pretty hard for some legal maneuvering. How many pensions have you seen raided in the past 10 years? Did those guys do something to deserve that? Were they able to go back to work and make up for it? No, they believed in the agreement signed between the company and the employee group, and now they're a Walmart greeter getting pennies on the dollar out of their pension fund, and contemplating another 15 years in the workforce.

But yet here you are still in the workforce earning your money, and throwing bricks at them, calling them thieves and scumbags. So you're endorsing what the companies did by deciding to dump those agreements, SCREW WHOEVER IT HURTS, cause we want to still be here making money even though we've dicked this company six ways from Sunday.

Well those companies don't deserve to be here, and their executives should've hit jail just like Ken Lay... Talk about corporate greed..... But evidently you're okay with that....

I don't endorse their actions, but they're far from thieves, and if you talked with them, they're probably far from scum either.... Grow up.
 
Unsurprisingly the group is dominated by scum sucking scabs. Furthermore these dolts tried to run this gambit after a bunch of UAL guys invented it well before them. In the end I could care less. Let their scab brothas blubber about their lump while they work till 65. Be glad when they are gone at last.
 
That's not a bad point flooder. But kind of like the strategic foreclosure
IMO
 
I'm sorry, there are no scabs at Continental....( I rejected a class fall 84) ..there are only ALPA members in good standing with "unfortunate dates of hire"...

we are doomed...
 
I don't blame any of them.

Corporate raiders, mad management, greedy management and the same federal law have stolen thousand of pensions over the years.

Any pilot who speaks out against 10 guys who had the brains and the nuts to take their pensions has a small wiener. That's all.
 
I don't blame any of them.

Corporate raiders, mad management, greedy management and the same federal law have stolen thousand of pensions over the years.

Any pilot who speaks out against 10 guys who had the brains and the nuts to take their pensions has a small wiener. That's all.
They didn't 'take their pension'. They committed FRAUD to STEAL from their Fellow Pilots. All those people that call Bernie Madoff a dirtbag just have small wieners?

Google "integrity" and let us know if you find something that says: my boss is a thief, so it's okay if I'm a thief too.

You call corporate raiders and management thieves....but don't hold these guys to the same standard? If your fellow pilot murdered someone, would you also say 'it's not murder' because management had murdered people in the past?

Tell me where you live. I'll come by and fake a slip and fall on your property to cash in on your homeowners insurance. You can pay for it.
I'm a pilot, so it's cool.
 
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They didn't 'take their pension'. They committed FRAUD to STEAL from their Fellow Pilots. All those people that call Bernie Madoff a dirtbag just have small wieners?

Google "integrity" and let us know if you find something that says: my boss is a thief, so it's okay if I'm a thief too.

You call corporate raiders and management thieves....but don't hold these guys to the same standard? If your fellow pilot murdered someone, would you also say 'it's not murder' because management had murdered people in the past?

Tell me where you live. I'll come by and fake a slip and fall on your property to cash in on your homeowners insurance. You can pay for it.
I'm a pilot, so it's cool.

Management weenie or suck-up? Like to be on your knees, get some knee-pads.
 

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