Pinnacle and Frontier

[Flyer1015]

First, their CEO. Now, their CFO.

Coincidence?

If Republic spins off Frontier, I'm thinking Pinnacle "Holdings" will acquire Frontier.

Thoughts?

 

[RiddleEagle18]

what is the 9e scope language. Would we have an RAH intergration situation all over again?

 

[RJLoser]

Naggana happen

 

[Kaman]

Would really be surprised to see this acquisition on the part of Pinnacle Holdings, but there are some aspects of it that would make sense from a strategic business plan. I believe that the CRJ-200 contracts are up for bid in 2017 and there doesn't appear to be much interest on the part of any codeshares to continue operating anything with less than 70-seats on the jet side. Having the airbus operation out of DEN, adding more Q-400s/Q-400Xs/CRJ-900s and ridding themselves of the 200s would have the company in a position to be competitive in the volatile codeshare "wars" that are going to be taking place in the middle of the decade.
There is going to continue to be a consolidation/reduction of capacity within the airline industry. Less flights running full with less frequency on bigger, more fuel efficient airplanes is the way to go. To stay in business you have to keep your capacity to the point where you can dictate the ticket price. The only vulnerability would be Southwest seeing blood in the water and running you out of town with their own brand of marketshare take-over. There model is volume with low yields, who is going to win this war is anyone's guess, but I think that SWA is close to reaching critical mass with their business model. They are gambling with the AirTran deal and will make them or break them. Going head-to-head with Delta is a going to be interesting...

 

[higney85]

F9 would have to come under our list (another sli arbitration), AND JCBA if acquired. It would get ugly. I don't see it happening but we never truly forecasted the last 2 Corp moves.

 

[On Your Six]

Frontier continues to get pummeled by SWA and UAL in Denver and Airtran in Millwaukee. If BB is considering this, he wouldnt be dumping it without a reason. If those of you at Pinnacle think you might be able to fly those Emb190s or A320s for Delta, I think you will be mistaken. Nothing over 76 seats for any DCI carrier. That just won't change, regardless of what some of you think.


OYS

 

[Freebrd]

:nuts: LMAO! Sure putz, whatever u and Jenny say!

 

[CoATP]

Boss brings along his staff. Expect to see others.

 

[On Your Six]

:nuts: LMAO! Sure putz, whatever u and Jenny say!

Have you signed up for a lav dumping job there in Denver? Wait, there is no way you could pass that interview. Too bad, you're always full of poop anyway, Mr. Putz!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Boss brings along his staff. Expect to see others.

So, Pinnacle wants to absorb an airline getting pummeled in Denver and MKE for what reason again? They can maybe do a better job than BB?


OYS

 

[RJLoser]

Have you signed up for a lav dumping job there in Denver? Wait, there is no way you could pass that interview. Too bad, you're always full of poop anyway, Mr. Putz!


OYS

Issues.

 

[Freebrd]

No kiddin', but that putz Oy-Yo-yo told me huh

 

[i fly boxes]

Frontier continues to get pummeled by SWA and UAL in Denver and Airtran in Millwaukee. If BB is considering this, he wouldnt be dumping it without a reason. If those of you at Pinnacle think you might be able to fly those Emb190s or A320s for Delta, I think you will be mistaken. Nothing over 76 seats for any DCI carrier. That just won't change, regardless of what some of you think.


OYS

Haha thats funny. You major guys act like we have any control over it at all. If one of those airbi come to pinnacle one day, Im going to fly it because thats who i work for until i get hired somewhere else. Its your job to control your scope clause and i wish you better luck than the last 5 times its been tried. All of us would just love to fly for mainline but you have prevented it with your scope sales and age 65 limits

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Boss brings along his staff. Expect to see others.

Waiting for the news that Doug Shockey will be the next one gone....

 

[DoinTime]

If those of you at Pinnacle think you might be able to fly those Emb190s or A320s for Delta, I think you will be mistaken. Nothing over 76 seats for any DCI carrier. That just won't change, regardless of what some of you think.


OYS

I'm not saying that this scenario is even remotely close to reality but all PNCL Corp would have to do is operate Frontier (or any other big equipment carrier) on a different operating certificate and Delta Scope has been trumped. Unlike Delta pilots, Pinnacle Corp pilots have options outside of Delta.

 

[On Your Six]

I'm not saying that this scenario is even remotely close to reality but all PNCL Corp would have to do is operate Frontier (or any other big equipment carrier) on a different operating certificate and Delta Scope has been trumped. Unlike Delta pilots, Pinnacle Corp pilots have options outside of Delta.

Why would Delta pilots want to do other flying other than Delta's? Good for you guys? The point is 190/320 flying will not be for Delta. You can fly Frontier and lose money for yourself, but nothing connected to Delta. That is a fact. BB flies Frontier alone, and has DCI stuff separate. No code share, no brand flying. You are right that our Scope needs to be tightened even more, and your example will be a catalyst for the eventual opener. But, you won't see Pinnacle 190s flying for Delta without mainline crews. I personally think you should fly it yourself like Independance Air, which might do better than the current Frontier.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Haha thats funny. You major guys act like we have any control over it at all. If one of those airbi come to pinnacle one day, Im going to fly it because thats who i work for until i get hired somewhere else. Its your job to control your scope clause and i wish you better luck than the last 5 times its been tried. All of us would just love to fly for mainline but you have prevented it with your scope sales and age 65 limits

Do you think we liked Age 65? No. And the majority of the scope sale was done in BK, with both of my legacy employers. Now the airlines are more healthy, meaning BK isn't an option to gain more. Age 65 is approaching for many legacies, with thousands of retirements in the next 5 years. But, what scope is left won't be sold, and you can fly 320s for Frontier, but it won't be connected to any legacy most likely, because the remaining pilots are pissed. You have a much better chance of actually getting hired at a Major than flying a 190 or 320 for a regional working for a Major. No budging.


OYS

 

[Flyer1015]

General Lee, please stop using your OYS alter-ego.

 

[Freebrd]

but it won't be connected to any legacy most likely, because the remaining pilots are pissed. OYS

HAHA left yoself an out there Jenny, er, I mean Oy-Yo-Yo! ooh the "pilots are pissed". ya think RA really gives a chit huh do ya

PUTZ!

 

[jynxyjericho]

Any day Mainline wants to step up to the bat on scope please do. Fouling it off doesn't count.

Anyway, the CEO is going to bring in the people he wants, fairly SOP. No need to get wound up on a Frontier buy Flyer.