C-Series Order??

[WMUSIGPI]

Did DALPA give up more scope in the joint contract with NWA? They didn't have to tighten it then, oil was high, and RJs started to get parked en mass. No additional RJs were allowed at that point, right? I think GL is right, and your theory is way off. The opportunity was there to give away more, and it didn't happen. I'm fairly new here, and I don't hear anything that you suggest.


OYS

Well not quite, With the merger, DAL was OVER its limit on 76 seat planes. All that was done was get a promise not to furlough in exchange for raising that limit to match what was in the combined operation. Not exactly holding the line. More like moving it to fit management.

 

[Flyerdan]

Does anyone have any thoughts on what airframe will replace the current 50 seat airframes? I can't imagine a 100 seat aircraft could be put on those routes without decreasing frequency to a rate that would be unacceptable to the flying public.

 

[bri5150]

Does anyone have any thoughts on what airframe will replace the current 50 seat airframes? I can't imagine a 100 seat aircraft could be put on those routes without decreasing frequency to a rate that would be unacceptable to the flying public.

My guess is they will still have 200's on the proper routes. They just won't have 100's and 100's of them. I don't know who made the decision to get that many, but it was flat out ridiculous. Does anyone know how many 50 seat jets were in the Delta system at it's peak?

 

[ohplease!]

Does anyone have any thoughts on what airframe will replace the current 50 seat airframes? I can't imagine a 100 seat aircraft could be put on those routes without decreasing frequency to a rate that would be unacceptable to the flying public.

700/900 with first class. ratio something around 1.5 to 1. slight drop in frequency in some markets with the insertion of a mainline narrow body or two on some very high volume routes during peak times. The majority of the loss in flying coming from the final shut down of Comair.....Delta side.

700/900 with first class ratio of 2 to 1 also with a slight drop in frequency in some markets and a mainline narrow body or two...

We'll give up dual-qual for better contract language and a minimal pay raise. That along with the slight drop in the number of planes will help to make up for the loss a some pilots to mainline carriers when the do hire in a couple of years....forget about the "pilot shortage" and massive hiring at the majors....ain't going to happen.

100 seaters???? depends on how big a carrot mainline dangles in front of the deltoids....we should know that answer in about ohhhhh, 3 more years

 

[Abernathy]

I can't imagine a 100 seat aircraft could be put on those routes without decreasing frequency to a rate that would be unacceptable to the flying public.

The flying public is lucky there is service at all to places like Alpena, MI and most places in Alabama.

 

[xjhawk]

i hope scope is tightened up or at least stays the same. But I have been told that because of the possible new duty time regulations that Delta asked to open up negotiations on that portion of the contract. It was then said that Delta asked to open up the whole contract......I am guessing a sweetheart deal on pay for a relief in scope.....hold the line guys...hold the line....

 

[xjhawk]

this is now in the regionals area......the administrators are tools.....this post is about keeping the C series at main line...or as some say.... "majors" hence why it was in majors area to begin with....move it back please....none of us who fly regionals now who want to make it to the "majors" want the C series to go "regional"

 

[CaribPilot]

forget about the "pilot shortage" and massive hiring at the majors....ain't going to happen.

No massive hiring at the majors?

Have you seen the age 65 numbers? You really don't think the majors aren't going to massively hire in the next 5 years? You cannot be serious.

Something like 1/3rd of the entire major/cargo pilot group is about to age out.

 

[damnflyboy]

No massive hiring at the majors?

Have you seen the age 65 numbers? You really don't think the majors aren't going to massively hire in the next 5 years? You cannot be serious.

Something like 1/3rd of the entire major/cargo pilot group is about to age out.

You can't fight an emotional argument with one based on fact and real numbers. It's the same reason that I can't have an intelligent conversation with a hippie.

 

[On Your Six]

700/900 with first class. ratio something around 1.5 to 1. slight drop in frequency in some markets with the insertion of a mainline narrow body or two on some very high volume routes during peak times. The majority of the loss in flying coming from the final shut down of Comair.....Delta side.

700/900 with first class ratio of 2 to 1 also with a slight drop in frequency in some markets and a mainline narrow body or two...

We'll give up dual-qual for better contract language and a minimal pay raise. That along with the slight drop in the number of planes will help to make up for the loss a some pilots to mainline carriers when the do hire in a couple of years....forget about the "pilot shortage" and massive hiring at the majors....ain't going to happen.

100 seaters???? depends on how big a carrot mainline dangles in front of the deltoids....we should know that answer in about ohhhhh, 3 more years

That's funny, 192 senior pilots signed up for an early out program that was
due on June 30th. Sounds like some major upward movement, when one senior widebody Captain leaves, 10 people move UP, and that can mean hiring too. 2000 total pilots are in the zone to retire now or within the next few years at DL.

As far as 100 seaters goes, only the top 5% would ever sell scope, and they are leaving. The rest want tighter scope on code shares, and RJs. You really shouldn't get too excited, and instead worry about your own dwindling career.



OYS

 

[RJLoser]

Yup. They are only yours to lose six.

 

[FDJ2]

GL- I had one of your widebody CA's in my Jumpseat. He said it would be the biggest no brainer to give away the 100 seat.

I don't think so. I don't think there are any discussions to loosen scope and I don't think there are any members of the MEC who would support it.

 

[RJLoser]

I don't think so. I don't think there are any discussions to loosen scope and I don't think there are any members of the MEC who would support it.

He did say there have been no discussions about this. He was just stating if they drop 30-35% in his lap he was going to take it in a heartbeat. Hope he is in the minority.

 

[bri5150]

So let me get this straight. What people are saying is there are a ton of old people at the majors (there are a lot of retirements coming up). Also what people are saying is only the old guys are going to vote to get rid of scope. So, my algebra tells me that there are a ton of guys that are going to vote to get rid of scope, right?

 

[damnflyboy]

So let me get this straight. What people are saying is there are a ton of old people at the majors (there are a lot of retirements coming up). Also what people are saying is only the old guys are going to vote to get rid of scope. So, my algebra tells me that there are a ton of guys that are going to vote to get rid of scope, right?

And then there's that "Operation Orange" thingy to further complicate the guessing game.

If you ask me, people tend to vote for themselves and their own families...not for the poor suckers (and families) beneath them.

But voting for the "greater cause"...it's a cute thought.